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Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

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Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

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OTOH if your power goes out, being able to bake a quiche and not freeze to death is useful.

How are you heating your home? Most methane furnace designs use electric blowers to actually get the heat into the home (at least in North America).

They're talking about gas stoves, which are designed for cooking but can be repurposed in a pinch as an emergency heat source.

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

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There was a bunch of articles about this in 2020. After looking into the data my conclusion is the threat is overblown (big surprise), a large part of it is from cooking of any kind (heating produces particulates) and that if you take some basic precautions (open a window, use vent fan) the risk is very low.

It is extremely common, even default in the US in my experience, to not have vent fans not actually... vent. As a renter, I don't really get a choice in the matter.

Opening a window significantly is also pretty unfeasible most of the year.

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

#13
post #8

OTOH if your power goes out, being able to bake a quiche and not freeze to death is useful.

How are you heating your home? Most methane furnace designs use electric blowers to actually get the heat into the home (at least in North America).

I'm in an apartment, so I think it's boilers + then in individual units you can supplement with a heater? It was actually a persistent issue early on the grad students would screw with the knobs, and it's harder to pop a window open in a place like Pittsburgh than the Bay Area.

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

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post #8

OTOH if your power goes out, being able to bake a quiche and not freeze to death is useful.

How are you heating your home? Most methane furnace designs use electric blowers to actually get the heat into the home (at least in North America).

in the texas freeze last year natural gas never stopped flowing even though power was out for about 5 days. I cut the wire to my gas furnace and put a plug on the end. My small 2kw generator could easily run the blower on my gas furnace.

We could still cook food on our gas stove.

We still had hot water from our gas hot water heater (though the pipes eventually froze).

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

#15
post #4

Relatedly I found this video on electric kettles vs gas stove efficiency for heating water pretty illuminating too: https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c?t=763 The summary is that a cheap electric kettle can boil water way faster and with far less wasted energy than a stove top kettle.

> with far less wasted energy

Small nit-pick: Electricity generation itself is often very lossy. In the case of fossil sources, the energy waste is just further up the chain (with solar power too, but it matters much less).

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

#16
post #12

There was a bunch of articles about this in 2020. After looking into the data my conclusion is the threat is overblown (big surprise), a large part of it is from cooking of any kind (heating produces particulates) and that if you take some basic precautions (open a window, use vent fan) the risk is very low.

It is extremely common, even default in the US in my experience, to not have vent fans not actually... vent. As a renter, I don't really get a choice in the matter. Opening a window significantly is also pretty unfeasible most of the year.

I see many of them that simply vent into the attic. This requires a properly vented attic, and has the downside of introducing moisture into the attic, which can lead to damage.

That said, mobile homes pretty much always vent outside in my experience.

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

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post #16
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is extremely common, even default in the US in my experience, to not have vent fans not actually... vent. As a renter, I don't really get a choice in the matter. Opening a window significantly is also pretty unfeasible most of the year.

I see many of them that simply vent into the attic. This requires a properly vented attic, and has the downside of introducing moisture into the attic, which can lead to damage. That said, mobile homes pretty much always vent outside in my experience.

A lot of them do not vent at all. They just draw it up through a coarse filter and out the top again.

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are you heating your home? Most methane furnace designs use electric blowers to actually get the heat into the home (at least in North America).

in the texas freeze last year natural gas never stopped flowing even though power was out for about 5 days. I cut the wire to my gas furnace and put a plug on the end. My small 2kw generator could easily run the blower on my gas furnace. We could still cook food on our gas stove. We still had hot water from our gas hot water heater (though the pipes eventually froze).

Why did pipes freeze with furnace fan on generator ?

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

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post #4

Relatedly I found this video on electric kettles vs gas stove efficiency for heating water pretty illuminating too: https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c?t=763 The summary is that a cheap electric kettle can boil water way faster and with far less wasted energy than a stove top kettle.

This assumes you (everyone) live(s) in a building whose circuit breaker won’t trip when you plug in said kettle.

And it can cost a pretty penny to get a building up to this standard.

Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)

#20
post #4

Relatedly I found this video on electric kettles vs gas stove efficiency for heating water pretty illuminating too: https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c?t=763 The summary is that a cheap electric kettle can boil water way faster and with far less wasted energy than a stove top kettle.

That seems pretty obvious from their construction. I don’t know anyone that uses a stove top kettle. It’s unfortunate that in the US our electric kettles are much slower than in the U.K.

I think it can be spread by word of mouth. I've already converted several friends and family over to electric kettles when they see how useful it is for coffee, tea, even for getting water boiled for cooking.

The big question in my mind is whether the electric kettle itself is the "final form", or if I'll be proselytizing the same people in ten years to get an Asian style hot water heater/reservoir instead.

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