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Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Re: Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Post by meric »

I remember google's dart that compiled to javascript which ran 7% as fast as hand-written javascript. I wonder what the performance for this will be compared to handwritten lua? I've tried wrapping everything into tables like this in lua, and there definitely is a performance penalty.

I guess programmers will always be programmers. "Ooo look, this year CPU speed has quadtripled! Let's make a compiler for X to Y which will reduce performance by only 75%; It means you can run it at the same speed as running hand-written Y last year!"

I'll cringe when I see someone creating a WoW addon using this.

Re: Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Post by aaronblohowiak »

finnw wrote: post #10
zhemao wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many C applications use Lua as an embedded scripting language. This program would be very useful if the developers of the application wanted to extend scripting support to Javascript (and compile-to-JS languages) without having to modify their C code.

But if they are developers why would they not want to modify their own C code (to add an embeddable JS interpreter?)

js interpreters are not as friendly as lua for embedding.

Re: Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Post by leafo »

timcameronryan wrote: post #2

Hey all, I'm posting this to HN to see if there's any interest in a full-fledged JavaScript port to Lua. Colony right now is a proof-of-concept, but there might be a real use case out there for embeddable JavaScript where solutions like V8 would simply be too large. Since it's a source-to-source compiler, you can use Colony generally wherever Lua source is required. For example, I was able to follow the beginners tut…

If you like CoffeeScript you should try out http://moonscript.org

CoffeeScript inspired syntax that compiles right to Lua.

Re: Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Post by zhemao »

aaronblohowiak wrote: post #12
finnw wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if they are developers why would they not want to modify their own C code (to add an embeddable JS interpreter?)

js interpreters are not as friendly as lua for embedding.

Exactly, I've worked with the Lua C API before, it was fairly easy to use. I've looked at the V8 API before. Compared to Lua, it is far more complicated.

Re: Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Post by nieve »

timcameronryan wrote: post #2

Hey all, I'm posting this to HN to see if there's any interest in a full-fledged JavaScript port to Lua. Colony right now is a proof-of-concept, but there might be a real use case out there for embeddable JavaScript where solutions like V8 would simply be too large. Since it's a source-to-source compiler, you can use Colony generally wherever Lua source is required. For example, I was able to follow the beginners tut…

Interesting idea and possibly worth tossing out to the World of Warcraft addons/scripting community (single largest Lua end-user install base in the world, I believe) as well?

BTW, the name seems a bit tacky for a language developed in Brazil given the colonial history. Was there another reason for naming it that I've missed?

Re: Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Post by beagle3 »

friggeri wrote: post #4

The fun thing about transpilers is that you can chain them together. Waiting to see some C stuff ported to Lua using Emscripten via JS.

Get a Clue: http://cluecc.sourceforge.net/

Decent timing from LuaJIT1 when it was generating "dirty" Lua bytecode.

Re: Colony, an experimental JavaScript-to-Lua compiler

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Post by fab13n »

zhemao wrote: post #9
fab13n wrote: post #6

In which cases would anyone need: - to write code in JS rather than in Lua; - and run the result on a platform which supports Lua but not JS? Except in a Dilbert-like situation, where a clueless middle manager decides that using a dirty hack is safer than letting JS programmers take the 2 days it would take them to become very proficient in Lua, I can't think of one.

Many C applications use Lua as an embedded scripting language. This program would be very useful if the developers of the application wanted to extend scripting support to Javascript (and compile-to-JS languages) without having to modify their C code.

But a transcompiler will always be a kludge, at least when the target language hasn't been designed as a bytecode.

Most importantly, I'd bet that the intersection of developers who:

(1) can write good software; and

(2) Can write decent JS code, but can't become proficient in Lua within a couple of days;

is mostly empty.

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