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World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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Yeah, but. Foreign graduates from UK universities are chased out immediately. Unless that’s changed? It was a major plank in the 2014 Scottish referendum platform.

The Uk as a whole is oscillating wildly from one extreme to the other politically. Immigration policy doubly so...

It's not really a change. It's for optics and internal consumption only.

The UK's current gov is firmly wedded to a delusional image of itself as a major imperial power of vast wealth and influence. Such is its majesty it is for ever in danger of being infiltrated and undermined by unpleasantly independent Europeans, who for some reason refuse to see the UK as the most important country in Europe. And also by nasty brown and black people from who knows where?

All policy is designed to reassure itself of that view. Not to solve practical problems.

In the real world the number of top graduates who will want to stay on with a two year work visa - and no guaranteed extension - is somewhere very close to zero.

There's no conception that other countries may have a more appealing work culture and a more open and successful academic culture.

As it happens, the university sector in the UK is currently closing many departments and firing and re-hiring many of its professors so it can cut their pay. As a result many are on strike and others have left.

Any student who is reasonably bright and considering the UK is going to know this.

Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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As an aside, I'm from a so-so third-world country (Nigeria), and the best graduating student from my recent university set got a Gates Cambridge scholarship for a PhD in a science field. She's wicked smart and hardworking, and the UK will most likely make better use of her talent compared to my country.

It's a bit sad (to me) that they limited this opportunity to graduates of the world's top universities and excluded disadvantaged/poorer countries as a result. But, such is life. I can't dictate to foreign countries and voters who or not they should let into their borders.

Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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> Home Secretary Priti Patel added: "I am proud to be launching this new and exciting route as part of our points-based immigration system which puts ability and talent first, not where someone comes from." For this visa route to "put ability and talent first", the policy would have to be designed to look for and accept evidence of those traits in whatever forms are available. But this visa does not place ability and…

For me, the most dispiriting thing is that the UK is codifying a broken "meritocratic" system, with the flaws you identify, along with dubious rankings into international law.

What you're pointing out — that individuals should be allowed visas based on whatever merit they can make an argument for — should be the obvious thing. Why it gets buried in these layers of sociopoltically dysfunctional nonsense is beyond me.

I would go even further personally in opening up national borders, but I increasingly feel a political anomaly. A strong state in my opinion should afford opportunities for everyone to demonstrate contribution, and only take that away when someone has become a demonstrated risk.

Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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> early in their careers

Clicked around for a bit and age does not appear anywhere that I can find. It appears that a 40+ year old person could return to (an eligible) university for a second degree and then make use of this scheme.

Perhaps the cohort size is going to be too small for them to care.

Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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post #2

Yeah, but. Foreign graduates from UK universities are chased out immediately. Unless that’s changed? It was a major plank in the 2014 Scottish referendum platform.

The Uk as a whole is oscillating wildly from one extreme to the other politically. Immigration policy doubly so...

> Immigration policy doubly so...

Name me a party with a chance of winning a general election in the UK that explicitly commits to lowering immigration substantially as a key policy. There isn't one!

Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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I never cared for green card/visa thing... If I'm going to uproot my family for a few years I need to know that the path for full immigration and citizenship is well set.

This is the only sensible thing to do when uprooting your family and the changing the course of life of multiple people.

Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Uk as a whole is oscillating wildly from one extreme to the other politically. Immigration policy doubly so...

It's not really a change. It's for optics and internal consumption only. The UK's current gov is firmly wedded to a delusional image of itself as a major imperial power of vast wealth and influence. Such is its majesty it is for ever in danger of being infiltrated and undermined by unpleasantly independent Europeans, who for some reason refuse to see the UK as the most important country in Europe. And also by nasty b…

> The UK's current gov is firmly wedded to a delusional image of itself as a major imperial power of vast wealth and influence. Such is its majesty it is for ever in danger of being infiltrated and undermined by unpleasantly independent Europeans, who for some reason refuse to see the UK as the most important country in Europe. And also by nasty brown and black people from who knows where?

This is complete nonsense! Inward immigration has gone UP since Brexit, the cabinet is more brown/black than ever before, and the establishment clearly intend to do nothing whatsoever about the porous border in the south (don't be fooled by the laughable Rwanda holding camps initiative, the main motive of which is likely to funnel even more to the legal system etc.).

OTOH I would agree that the government (regime?) are delusional, but I would extend this to the entirety of the establishment, who seem to have departed from reality a long time ago, and seem to believe that the correct response to the UK's reduced circumstances and the population's temerity in daring to vote against globalism is to hasten its destruction.

Re: World's top graduates get new UK visa option

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really a change. It's for optics and internal consumption only. The UK's current gov is firmly wedded to a delusional image of itself as a major imperial power of vast wealth and influence. Such is its majesty it is for ever in danger of being infiltrated and undermined by unpleasantly independent Europeans, who for some reason refuse to see the UK as the most important country in Europe. And also by nasty b…

> The UK's current gov is firmly wedded to a delusional image of itself as a major imperial power of vast wealth and influence. Such is its majesty it is for ever in danger of being infiltrated and undermined by unpleasantly independent Europeans, who for some reason refuse to see the UK as the most important country in Europe. And also by nasty brown and black people from who knows where? This is complete nonsense!…

> Inward immigration has gone UP since Brexit

While this holds some truth in general it's wrong:

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati...

Net immigration from the EU dropped while total net immigration increased slightly in 2019 before cratering in 2020.

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