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Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

#11

Can they somehow tell exactly where the cable was cut?

Yeah there's special tech for that! Has something to do with sending some frequency over the line and measuring how long it takes to "reflect" off of the breakage and back to the shore.

The term is time domain reflectometry, TDR. It used to be really expensive, and now it's filtered down into medium-cost optical adapters.

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah there's special tech for that! Has something to do with sending some frequency over the line and measuring how long it takes to "reflect" off of the breakage and back to the shore.

The term is time domain reflectometry, TDR. It used to be really expensive, and now it's filtered down into medium-cost optical adapters.

In the non-optical domain, that used to be a feature in the most expensive cable measuring gears (to the tune of €25k about 20 years ago).

I had the pleasure of using one of the devices that had that when I wired my old house. Borrowed the kit from ... an institution that allowed me to get their gear for a weekend. (Yes, I knew people in there.) Having the device tell me that a given strand in a CAT5e cable was faulty at from my location made it surprisingly easy to detect where I'd messed up.

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah there's special tech for that! Has something to do with sending some frequency over the line and measuring how long it takes to "reflect" off of the breakage and back to the shore.

The term is time domain reflectometry, TDR. It used to be really expensive, and now it's filtered down into medium-cost optical adapters.

I was going to say that this was invented by none other than Heaviside, but it turns out his technique relied on static resistance measurement to find the cable fault. Similar concept though. And in 1861!

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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post #4

Bitten by a shark, or snagged on a russian submarine? Whichever the case, I just ran an ansible deployment over our cluster that's spread over their Frankfurt and Helsinki datacenters, and I didn't notice any difference. I guess that's to be expected, their line between those datacenters is just an optimization, the internet is still functioning as it always is and maybe Hetzner gets a slightly larger egress bill fro…

> Bitten by a shark, or snagged on a russian submarine?

In all likelihood much less interesting, probably snagged in a fishing net or hit by an anchor.

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

#18
Happens quite often to subsea cables. I was renting a number of them and every now and again you'd get a break. You can follow the NOC's update emails:

Break detected

Ship has been commissioned

Ship is at harbor

Ship has sailed out to the cut

Fusing the ends

Service restored

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

#20

Can they somehow tell exactly where the cable was cut?

This video explains and show the same concept for copper cables in a very simple and hands on way: "Cheap and simple TDR using an oscilloscope and 74AC14 Schmitt Trigger Inverter" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cP6w2odGUc
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