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Without more context, that is a meaningless comment. You can’t just drop a name and claim “lier”.
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#12Hard to watch. Reminder me of the torturing at Guantánamo Bay detention camp.
The torture seems similar, but the scale is completely different. In Xinjiang, it’s been at least 1.2 million people making up a sizable portion of all Uighur Muslims. That’s compared to around 800 people in Guantanamo Bay (and only about 40 remaining there). Guantanamo Bay is completely horrible and should never have happened, but it wasn’t genocide.
How is the torture “similar”?
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Why? He seems to be one of the main researchers and experts on the matter, and from a cursory look there's little controversy around him ( unless you count him working with the "Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation", which is... interesting, but looks like a recent development).
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#15Hard to watch. Reminder me of the torturing at Guantánamo Bay detention camp.
The torture seems similar, but the scale is completely different. In Xinjiang, it’s been at least 1.2 million people making up a sizable portion of all Uighur Muslims. That’s compared to around 800 people in Guantanamo Bay (and only about 40 remaining there). Guantanamo Bay is completely horrible and should never have happened, but it wasn’t genocide.
Can you point me to the documents describing systemic (EDIT: Systemic, as opposed to a crime committed by a rogue prison guard) torture in those “camps”?
Guantanamo is indeed different, because it was only used for people to extract information from - vast majority of “war against terrorism” victims have been simply killed instead.
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#16The hacker must have trouble walking around... y'know, because of his gigantic balls? All jokes aside, I wonder how denialists will react to this. And I'm curious how China will attempt to explain this away. Can't wait for more detailed reports to come out. BBC's report [1] has been particularly interesting so far. I wonder what happens next. 1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-c...
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> It’s just that it’s not all that different from prison
Except for it's reason for existence ( forced cultural assimilation aka genocide) and it's methods, which include forced sterilisations alongside the regular torture?
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> It’s just that it’s not all that different from prison Except for it's reason for existence ( forced cultural assimilation aka genocide) and it's methods, which include forced sterilisations alongside the regular torture?
There's no valid evidence of that.
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If I Google his name all the "controversy" comes from chinese propaganda sites, CGTN, SCMP, and GlobalTimes.
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#19Hard to watch. Reminder me of the torturing at Guantánamo Bay detention camp.
How so? It seems to be to completely different levels.
Completely different scale, they are a government perpetrating genocide on their own citizens, could go on and on how they aren't the same.
But the top photo of prisoner with hood and handcuffs and brutish looking military/security look very similar to some of the gross photos we saw of abuse at gitmo.
Might be me putting too much emotion onto it but the guard with the bat looks like a smirk, like how the criminals at gitmo enjoyed abusing and taking those photos.
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> It’s just that it’s not all that different from prison Except for it's reason for existence ( forced cultural assimilation aka genocide) and it's methods, which include forced sterilisations alongside the regular torture?
There's no valid evidence of that.
What would be valid evidence? The post we're discussing, alongside the years of reporting, seem pretty valid to me.