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Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

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Re: Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

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Speaking of UI, I haven't used JetBrains software in some time, so this may be out of date, but:

It seems like a lot of software out of Central/Eastern Europe uses (or used) lots of custom UI controls. It gives the programs a certain... feel.

Has anyone else noticed this? Did Win32 controls in the past have especially poor support for non-Latin alphabets?

Re: Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

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post #8

I haven't used a JetBrains IDE in a while (and that isn't likely to change soon), but I think that the existence of command palettes makes me much more willing to accept a change like this. When the actions and menus I want are available at a moment's notice, all the buttons in a typical IDE are just clutter.

I originally downvoted you, but after putting a bit more thought into what you said… I dislike command palletes, but get what you’re saying. In a traditional product you’d just learn key combos. Until you do it seems like you’re clicking lots of buttons and menus. I feel like the command palette half bridges that gap by just making you type extra characters all along. I’m not saying one is better than another (cue ol…

The way I see it, key shortcuts and command palettes can complement each other.

Key shortcuts are great for things you’re doing constantly and are naturally learned quickly due to repetition. Command palettes are great for commands not used often enough for shortcuts to stick in memory, as well as for things that don’t have an associated shortcut like jumping to arbitrary files/classes/functions/etc.

Re: Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

#13
Looks interesting! I hope they do the job well and marry sleek UI design with practicality. The UI is perfectly fine at the moment so I have some slight reservations. I don't think they will have an option to toggle between new and old design once this rolls out as it is a waste of engineering resources to maintain both.

Re: Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

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post #3
post #2

Pretty obvious what they're going for here, but a welcome move all the same IMO. I always trim down the UI as much as I can when working on IntelliJ/RubyMine, so I appreciate them making it look like VSCode while still having the powerful IDE tooling underneath.

They are also coming out with a competitor to VS Code before long. I am interested to see how that performs as it will not be based on Electron.

native UIs are generally slower than web, although at least it seems they are using the chromium 2D renderer Skia here

Re: Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are also coming out with a competitor to VS Code before long. I am interested to see how that performs as it will not be based on Electron.

native UIs are generally slower than web, although at least it seems they are using the chromium 2D renderer Skia here

>native UIs are generally slower than web

Can you expand on that? It seems so contrary to common sense and experience that either you must have an interesting point, or you left out a 'not'.

Re: Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

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post #5

I'm a huge fan of the JetBrains IDEs, and while I appreciate the thought of modernizing, I really don't like this approach. Their IDEs are extremely powerful and provide many useful tools, and hiding them behind meaningless icons or burying them deep in a smaller number of context menus doesn't do any favors for either discoverability or ease of use. My understanding of simplified UI is that it's meant to be accessib…

Came here to say exactly the same thing. If I wanted to use VSCode I would, making my JB product look and behave like VSCode is not something I’m interested in.

I really hope that JB is reading these spot on comments!

Re: Take Part in the New UI Preview for Your JetBrains IDE

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post #5

I'm a huge fan of the JetBrains IDEs, and while I appreciate the thought of modernizing, I really don't like this approach. Their IDEs are extremely powerful and provide many useful tools, and hiding them behind meaningless icons or burying them deep in a smaller number of context menus doesn't do any favors for either discoverability or ease of use. My understanding of simplified UI is that it's meant to be accessib…

This level of pointless conservatism frustrates me. I got to play around with it a bit. The only thing they simplified is the main toolbar [1]. Everything else is mostly shades of grey, icons and dimensions. A developer could upgrade to this and nothing would change.

And yet, we have complaints about a "dumbed down" interface, that is wasting space [2], that JetBrains should "fire their design team", ...

I'd love to see the age distribution of people complaining here because I personally had been hoping for this update. Design must be a balance between conservatism and progress and JetBrains nailed it in this case.

[1] They even show you the shortcuts now, which you should have been using anyways.

[2] The vertical space from the top of the window to the code is the _exact same_.

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