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Computer science is a liberal arts degree

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Re: Computer science is a liberal arts degree

#11
Yes it is a liberal arts degree: no humans - no need for computation. Understanding ourselves and our needs is necessary for inventing; improving or sustaining any technology.

Yes it is a STEM degree: no rigor - no computation. Understanding how the universe works is necessary in order to exploit matter and convince it to do computations for us.

Everything humans do (STEM included) is for humans; and by humans.

This bipartisan view of universities and faux-conflict isn’t useful.

Re: Computer science is a liberal arts degree

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I think we should leave comp sci as what it is. > The bulk of software work today is about integrating computation into human driven tasks, predicting and anticipating how people think, what they need, how they react to new communication and work methods Sure. But that is not what comp sci is about. If one wants better programmers then those aspect should be put in a different, more job focused, degrees like Software…

> Degrees aren’t just about jobs But degrees are used as a gatekeeper for jobs, and the price of a degree, 4 years of lost earnings + $200K, means that the only practical reason to get one, for the vast majority of people, is to get a higher paying job. So in reality, degrees are about jobs, and universities should start acting like it. I do share your sentiment that it shouldn't be this way, but if you tried to get…

I agree with you mostly. But some random thoughts.

> 4 years of lost earnings + $200K

Yeah I forgot how much US universities cost. I did a double major in LLB and BA and my student loan at the end was less than 50k including some living costs.

I can see why people in US are more focused on job qualification side of a degree if the opportunity cost was that much.

Re: Computer science is a liberal arts degree

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In the “woke” world of computation this sentence is false. And the previous sentence is true.

The liar’s paradox, decidability and undecidability (being core ideas in computer science) directly imply that it is scientifically undecidable what a man; or a woman is.

Those are (in fact) questions for the liberal arts department and broader society, and the answers are usually settled by social convention and democratic discourse.

A computer scientist will likely understand why the above is true. The rest might be tempted to downvote this assault on their intuitions.

Update: 3 people who don’t understand computer science disapprove of this comment (this is a running score)

Re: Computer science is a liberal arts degree

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Social Science, Ergonomics and Psychology aren't liberal arts subjects. Mediaeval History, French Literature and (arguably) Architecture are examples of liberal arts.

I think there's an argument to be made that computer scientists benefit from studying liberal arts; but I think the author fails to make that argument (let alone that CS is actually liberal arts, as per the subject).

Re: Computer science is a liberal arts degree

#19
This is the direction things have been going in Sweden over the last 15 years, but I think it’s a shame and a waste of human potential.

Why would you need a university CS degree to do UX design and write some JavaScript? There should be other degrees for that to be honest.

I’m hoping this trend will now reverse and “real” software engineers will reclaim their profession, despite now being in the “minority”.

Personally I’ve started calling myself a “deep tech software engineering entrepreneur” to try and distance myself from this “majority” of overeducated JavaScript fiddlers.

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