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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nrp »

the_gipsy wrote: post #10
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Any chance of ortholinear (grid) keyboards happening?

We've gotten requests from a couple of ortholinear keyboard makers on it. With our current Input Cover design, it is technically possible to do, but would have fixed costs that would be extremely difficult to amortize over the number of units we could realistically sell. Because of that, we don't have any active plans for this.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#12

Post by travisby »

nrp wrote: post #5
etbusch wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any preliminary specs on how battery life differs between these and the 11th gen equivalents?

In use battery life is largely the same, though Intel has added some additional features with 12th Gen Intel Core that can improve in-use power consumption in some scenarios. The main optimizations we were able to land were in standby power consumption. For Windows users, this means longer Modern Standby before going into Hibernate. For Linux, more importantly since hibernate is atypical, it means being able to leave…

The standby performance was what kept me from buying a previous gen frame.work despite loving the mission and wanting to support y'all. I was holding my time until either the efficiency cores came along (if that has any improvement in standby? I'm not even sure) or if you ended up making AMD where I believe S3 sleep states still exist.

Very exciting to hear there's an improvement in this generation. Is that improvement due to intel changes, or due to frame.work changes? Can you quantify the standby improvement for linux in watts or battery % / 24h?

Does battery life significantly change between processor models?

Congrats on the refresh launch!

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#13

Post by rocqua »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

I see there are only DDR4 options. Presumably if you bring your own memory, that also has to be DDR4.

Why no DDR5?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#14

Post by BlackLotus89 »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Is there a plan to offer other payment methods and/or multiple laptop orders. We want to use frame.work laptops for work and those limitations make it really hard for us to get it through logistics/purchase. The upgraded version would be an ideal reason for me to rerequest this as my new main machine.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#15

Post by CarVac »

nrp wrote: post #11
the_gipsy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any chance of ortholinear (grid) keyboards happening?

We've gotten requests from a couple of ortholinear keyboard makers on it. With our current Input Cover design, it is technically possible to do, but would have fixed costs that would be extremely difficult to amortize over the number of units we could realistically sell. Because of that, we don't have any active plans for this.

Is there any way a hobbyist can make a custom one that would fit?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#16

Post by nrp »

rocqua wrote: post #13
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

I see there are only DDR4 options. Presumably if you bring your own memory, that also has to be DDR4. Why no DDR5?

When we started developing this product last year, we looked at price trends and performance data on DDR4 vs DDR5 and made the bet that DDR5 would have both price and availability issues in 2022. That has turned out to be the case, with DDR5 SO-DIMMs typically going for 50-70% over the equivalent DDR4 capacity, without delivering performance improvements to justify that premium. This is something that will improve in the future, and we'll continue to track this for future products.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#17

Post by capableweb »

vodkapump wrote: post #9
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

I know this gets asked a lot and isn't really about this new upgraded model but.. Any news on plans for AMD models?

> Any news on plans for AMD models?

This is the only thing stopping me from getting a Framework laptop right now. I'd pay a premium for it as well.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

#20

Post by headsoup »

Nice. I noticed the 'Pre-order now' button for the 12th gen DIY edition goes to the configuration page for the normal edition.

I was confused that all options had Windows installed...

You can still get to the DIY configure page through Product Story -> Pre-Order Now.

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