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Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Weeks After 2nd and 3rd Doses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too much wrong here to know where to start. I guess we will start with "the people" is not in any way shape or form "the government".

It isn't? "that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth" - Abraham Lincoln. Certainly that is the principle we've been following in Europe - did something go wrong in the US?

That is a wonderful sentiment. I might even have been true still when Lincoln said that. I've studied enough history to be sure that I can't tell.

But it is certainly not true now.

The government of the present day is primarily an antagonist of the people, extracting the maximum of wealth and power that it can without enduring a revolt.

Re: Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Weeks After 2nd and 3rd Doses

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One of the first "promises" (agility) of mRNA turned out to be a bit of a mirage.

We have this wonderfully adaptable mRNA vaccine technology - but we've backed ourselves into a corner re: COVID-19 because it seems "original antigenic sin" is a stubbornly real effect in this context. All current research points to updated vaccines inducing largely the same old immune response - they are not more effective than just dosing again with the original shot.

So we can "reprogam" the vaccine but getting the immune system to do something different turns out to be more difficult.

Where it get interesting at a population level is that nearly everybody now has these antibodies for the original spike. At a population level this seems less robust than natural immunity[1], which would have induced (again at the population level) a broader range of immune responses from sites all over the virus. You also would have had a population where some people were exposed to original, some to delta, some to omicron etc, again leading to greater antibody diversity.

In general, monocultures tend to be less resilient to "exponential attacks" than more diverse systems.

While public health authorities have repeatedly dismissed this concern, I still find it hard to believe this kind of "antibody monoculture" isn't going to have an effect on subsequent evolution of the virus.

Mass vaccination was almost certainly the right call from an immediate public health perspective but I can't help but feel it's also left us more vulnerable in some difficult-to-predict way for the long term.

[1] Agree, it's bad terminology but everyone understands it. It's all "natural" immunity, of course.

Re: Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Weeks After 2nd and 3rd Doses

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The headline is misleading. Whereas current vaccines don’t protect from infection with Delta and later variants, they still protect from serious illness and death. From the article: > Experts and regulators broadly acknowledge the benefits of a third vaccine dose to top up flagging protection against serious illness and death.

It's Forbes. The article is shaky also

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One of the first "promises" (agility) of mRNA turned out to be a bit of a mirage. We have this wonderfully adaptable mRNA vaccine technology - but we've backed ourselves into a corner re: COVID-19 because it seems "original antigenic sin" is a stubbornly real effect in this context. All current research points to updated vaccines inducing largely the same old immune response - they are not more effective than just do…

This is exactly the reason why i didn't get boosted.

All vaccines are based on the previous previous variant too.

It's possible that RMNA doesn't really trigger vaccine immunity though. But that's not a fact.

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My friends had their 2nd vaccinations about 4 - 5 months ago, I had my 3rd just two weeks before a trip we went to. We all got the virus, my symptoms just started 24h later than theirs. I'd say we all got equally ill as well.

Seems like booster shots fall in the category of "To be on the safe side", which turns out not to be very effective.

Only reason I got the booster shot was the hassle of not getting it, e.g. having to do test 2-3 times/week.

With booster shot the COVID pass would be valid, never mind that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from infecting others.

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