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'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Post by 0dayz »

I don't think at the end of the day that the issue is the sustainablility of meat that will be its downfall (with the exception of greed, as you can see already with the big shots in the meat industry trying to lobby away lab grown meat / TLM products even though they barely exist).

Instead it's the very wasteful food culture especially the west has, let's take steak as an example, for the around 5 steaks a family of 3 will eat you could easily make a stew for 4 with only 3 of those steaks.

Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Post by throwaway22032 »

0dayz wrote: post #11

I don't think at the end of the day that the issue is the sustainablility of meat that will be its downfall (with the exception of greed, as you can see already with the big shots in the meat industry trying to lobby away lab grown meat / TLM products even though they barely exist). Instead it's the very wasteful food culture especially the west has, let's take steak as an example, for the around 5 steaks a family of…

How exactly is eating and fully digesting something "waste"?

Is it a waste for me to use a nice keyboard because a cheap 5 quid one will do?

Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

#13

Post by BlargMcLarg »

0dayz wrote: post #11

I don't think at the end of the day that the issue is the sustainablility of meat that will be its downfall (with the exception of greed, as you can see already with the big shots in the meat industry trying to lobby away lab grown meat / TLM products even though they barely exist). Instead it's the very wasteful food culture especially the west has, let's take steak as an example, for the around 5 steaks a family of…

That's a very lenient definition of waste, when nothing keeps you from eating that stew without steak.

Pretty sure the bigger problem is still the tons of food we throw away after going through everything to grow and ship it.

Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Post by ricardobayes »

vegan_wgat wrote: post #7

Throwaway for obvious reasons. What's the current academic consensus on nutritional deficiencies of vegan / lacto-vegeterian diet? I grew up on a lacto-vegeterian diet in India. I can't shake off the feeling that I would've had a better physique and growth if I had access to non-vegetarian food during my youth.

There are even vegan body builders so I would probably say that's not necessarily true.

Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Post by ricardobayes »

ChrisRR wrote: post #4
Normille wrote: post #2

...and the wind could generate electricity for a similar number. Conversation might be a bit limited though. The need to tell everyone you meet, within 5 minutes of meeting them, that you're a vegan would be removed.

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I don't blame them. Food is the mortar between the bricks of society. So if someone questions that it makes a lot of people feel unsecure. It's a completely natural reaction.

Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Post by myshpa »

vintermann wrote: post #9

If sustainability is more important, eating at least fish too is bound to be better. There's no way leaving 71% of the surface of the planet off-limits for nutrients isn't going to increase pressure on the other 29%. And yes, much fishing and aquaculture is presently unsustainable, but that can be said about agriculture too. It's not nearly an adequate argument for abandoning it entirely. The argument for full vegani…

Please see SEASPIRACY if you have a chance.

Eating fish is not sustainable. Overfishing and by-catch is a real problem (already more than 90% of sharks are exterminated), and in near future the seas could be totally devoid of life (except for jellyfish).

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspiracy ]

> The argument for full veganism has to be that animals are people

I don't agree.

(1) We shouldn’t be cruel to animals, i.e. we shouldn’t harm animals unnecessarily.

(2) The consumption of animal products harms animals and Earth.

(3) The consumption of animal products is unnecessary.

(4) Therefore, we shouldn’t consume animal products.

Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

vegan_wgat wrote: post #7

Throwaway for obvious reasons. What's the current academic consensus on nutritional deficiencies of vegan / lacto-vegeterian diet? I grew up on a lacto-vegeterian diet in India. I can't shake off the feeling that I would've had a better physique and growth if I had access to non-vegetarian food during my youth.

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Re: 'On a vegan planet, Britain could feed 200M people’

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Post by myshpa »

nikolay wrote: post #17

It's important to differentiate between "surviving" and "thriving"!

You can easily thrive on vegan diet.

You can't just leave meat and eat the rest and call it vegan diet. Most anti-vegans never had a real vegan meal. We all have an idea of vegan meals - but your mum's vegetable dish, which left you hungry after eating it, is not a real representative of vegan diet.

You'll just need to learn to cook differently - or better, what to substitute with what.

No need to invent new recipes. There is a lot of vegan meals in India, Mexico, Greece, Ethiopia, even your country for sure has some. Just make sure you eat diverse food and don't forget your B12 supplement (in vegan variant, because B12 is from earth bacteria or seaweed, not from meat).

When searching for a recipe (burger recipe) on the net, just add "vegan" (vegan burger recipe) and you'll certainly find something you'll enjoy.

[https://www.peta.org/living/food/vegan-egg-replacer-guide/ - 24 Ways to Replace an Egg] [https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=vegan%20replace%20meat] [https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=vegan%20milk%20recipes]

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