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EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by Ambolia »

searchableguy wrote: post #2

Could push for increasing surveillance be related to the recent adoption of digital social credit, CBDC (digital currency), and predictive policy systems in EU countries such as itlay, Netherlands, denmark, and the US? You would need a continous stream of data for building those. It makes a lot of sense if you look at it as countries trying to replicate success of Chinese growth and systems which are highly centraliz…

A lot of this got accelerated through Covid policies, "never let a good crisis go to waste" as they saying goes. Many systems that were put in place, can be repurposed for other goals.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by blibble »

cebert wrote: post #9

CSAM is terrible but how common is it to justify invading all of our privacy. Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? We know alcohol is damaging, maybe we should ruin that fun for everyone too.

> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those?

the EU commission's starting on this one too: https://www.sae.org/news/2019/04/eu-to-mandate-intelligent-s...

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Post by goodpoint »

cebert wrote: post #9

CSAM is terrible but how common is it to justify invading all of our privacy. Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? We know alcohol is damaging, maybe we should ruin that fun for everyone too.

> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those?

In dense cities: yes.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by raverbashing »

jdrek1 wrote: post #8
str3wer wrote: post #3

this keeps getting proposed every few months and it keeps getting rejected

The problem is they only need to win once. What we really need is an immutable section in the EU constitution that anyone who tries to take away basic privacy rights like this is immediately tried for crimes against humanity and sent to prison for the rest of their lives.

No, they don't need to "win once", rules can be changed.

And the ECJ/ECHR are a thing (and yes they have ruled against overreaching rules in the past)

(though I like your suggestion)

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Post by blibble »

jdrek1 wrote: post #8
str3wer wrote: post #3

this keeps getting proposed every few months and it keeps getting rejected

The problem is they only need to win once. What we really need is an immutable section in the EU constitution that anyone who tries to take away basic privacy rights like this is immediately tried for crimes against humanity and sent to prison for the rest of their lives.

> The problem is they only need to win once.

and due to the structure of the EU: once it is has passed it is almost impossible to rescind

no matter who you vote for in the future

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by zthrowaway »

Victerius wrote: post #6
einpoklum wrote: post #4

> In its draft law to combat child sexual abuse It seems like the idea is to oppress people so much it takes their minds off of the sexual abuse they suffered in childhood.

I think those of us who value our privacy are going to have to draw a line sooner or later. Do we want to combat child sexual abuse? Yes, but not at any cost. Are there things more important than combating child sexual abuse? Yes, such as our digital privacy. Are we willing to make the job of the authorities more difficult in combating child abuse in the name of privacy? The answer is yes. Those who would give up ess…

These people couldn’t care less. The line should have already been drawn but people keep falling for this emotional trickery that all politicians use. Packaging up something that nobody agrees with, with a noble cause that nobody would disagree with on the surface.

If you oppose this then I guess you oppose child sexual abuse! You wouldn’t want to look like a bad person would you?

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

cebert wrote: post #9

CSAM is terrible but how common is it to justify invading all of our privacy. Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? We know alcohol is damaging, maybe we should ruin that fun for everyone too.

Not the finest example. Given the chance, I'd gladly press the "rid society of alcohol entirely" button, and cars in cities pretty much also...

That said, the CSAM proposals they've inflicted on us recently are absolutely evil, insane and immoral.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

blibble wrote: post #13
cebert wrote: post #9

CSAM is terrible but how common is it to justify invading all of our privacy. Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? We know alcohol is damaging, maybe we should ruin that fun for everyone too.

> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? the EU commission's starting on this one too: https://www.sae.org/news/2019/04/eu-to-mandate-intelligent-s...

People are already selling shirts with "20"(kmh) speed limit signs on the back because of this.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by xeeeeeeeeeeenu »

I don't think this proposal is quite enough, we can do better to protect the children.

The homes of the people who champion this proposal should be thoroughly searched for child abuse materials every week. Naturally, their personal electronic devices should be taken for analysis. I understand this may cause them some inconvenience, but think of the children!

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