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Re: Font Hipsters

#11

I am trying to figure out how it went from decent looking typeface that kind of steals from Helvetica ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/18/robotica ) to a Helvetica ripoff ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/19/roboto-v-helveti... ) to a ripoff of four different fonts ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/19/roboto-typograph... ) [1] to an "ungainly, homely, unharmonious" system font that makes D…

I see no inconsistencies.

Re: Font Hipsters

#12

I am trying to figure out how it went from decent looking typeface that kind of steals from Helvetica ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/18/robotica ) to a Helvetica ripoff ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/19/roboto-v-helveti... ) to a ripoff of four different fonts ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/19/roboto-typograph... ) [1] to an "ungainly, homely, unharmonious" system font that makes D…

I am trying to figure out how it went from decent looking typeface...

He never said he thought it was decent looking.

Re: Font Hipsters

#13

I find the Roboto font looks great. http://androidspin.com/2011/10/19/miui-theme-itching-for-the... Does Gruber have an urge to pick on everything Android does to make himself feel better about iOS? I think Android 4.0 brought a lot more improvements than iOS 5 did, but I guess he just has to find something to pick on.

It's almost like people who aren't you can have different opinions than you.

Re: Font Hipsters

#14
post #3

I am trying to figure out how it went from decent looking typeface that kind of steals from Helvetica ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/18/robotica ) to a Helvetica ripoff ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/19/roboto-v-helveti... ) to a ripoff of four different fonts ( http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/19/roboto-typograph... ) [1] to an "ungainly, homely, unharmonious" system font that makes D…

If you define originality as a clumsy patchwork of existing pieces.

Roboto may be clumsy, but it's far from a patchwork of existing pieces. (if you look, really look, at those comparison charts, you'll notice that even the "frankensteined" source fonts have significant differences from the Roboto glyphs they inspired, in weight, shape, and proportion. the bar on the capital Q looks nothing alike, for the most blatant example.)

it's not the case that Roboto is a ripoff of an existing face, or even four existing faces (for the special case of "an existing face" == Helvetica, I posted about this at length here at my blog, complete with ranting and bad photoshops: http://http204.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/all-sans-serifs-are-...). it is the case that it's a product of its times and took inspiration from faces which already existed -- because if you create a font from scratch, intentionally trying to do only things which have never been done before, you're likely to end up with something completely unreadable.

that said, to me, it's super unrefined, chunky, and challenging to read -- it's outright broken at small sizes (and, thus, on low-DPI displays) where letters blob out around the edges due to poor hinting.

I'd much rather they just bring back Droid Sans. :(

Re: Font Hipsters

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post #4

Can someone please explain daring fireball to me? Every single post appears to be about how great Apple is. That can't seriously be the blog, can it? Why would people read this?

I find Gruber unreadable simply because he is so predictable. If it's about Apple, then it's praise; and if it's about Android, it's criticism.

That said, I think he's smart and knows exactly what he's doing. His audience is probably about 95% Apple product owners and he does a great job at suppressing any cognitive dissonance they may have regarding their Apple purchases - which keeps them coming back.

Reading his column is just another ritual for faithful followers of the Church of Apple.

Re: Font Hipsters

#16
post #4

Can someone please explain daring fireball to me? Every single post appears to be about how great Apple is. That can't seriously be the blog, can it? Why would people read this?

What makes DF interesting (or at least relevant) is that John Gruber tends to think like Apple does (as a collective). Steve Jobs even went so far as to use Gruber's rationalization during the iOS vs Flash debacle as an example of a well reasoned argument. The short version is: Gruber is a good read if you want to know what Apple is thinking.

His columns are almost always written about Apple's actions either in hindsight or in the very near term future, but he makes very few predictions or longer-term insights.
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