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The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

emteycz wrote: post #9
georgeg23 wrote: post #7

There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

Is a trucking company a defense company if they ship something for the military? Or the same with air transport?

No, but if they truck a bunch of equipment into warzones and have huge government contracts they might be considered one

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Post by simulate-me »

emteycz wrote: post #9
georgeg23 wrote: post #7

There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

Is a trucking company a defense company if they ship something for the military? Or the same with air transport?

If you become an integral part of the logistics pipeline for the military, then yes. Even if the company seems relatively civilian, you can bet it will be forced to focus on the military in the event of a military operation.

Re: The Turkish drone that changed the nature of warfare

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

melling wrote: post #4

I’m a little surprised that drones in Ukraine haven’t been discussed widely on HN. Ukraine doesn’t have the air force, pilots are expensive and take a lot of time of to train Here are a few interesting stories that I saw over the past couple of months https://www.reuters.com/world/us-rapidly-developed-ghost-dro... https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-technology-bu... https://www.popsci.com/aviation/black-ha…

Ukraine absolutely has an airforce. According to a recent CNN article, "In early March, about two weeks into the war, the defense official said Ukraine has 56 fighter aircraft, which composed about 80% of its fixed-wing fighters"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/20/politics/ukraine-aircraft-spa...

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Post by georgeg23 »

melling wrote: post #4

I’m a little surprised that drones in Ukraine haven’t been discussed widely on HN. Ukraine doesn’t have the air force, pilots are expensive and take a lot of time of to train Here are a few interesting stories that I saw over the past couple of months https://www.reuters.com/world/us-rapidly-developed-ghost-dro... https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-technology-bu... https://www.popsci.com/aviation/black-ha…

"Starlink helps Ukraine's elite drone unit target and destroy Russian tanks"

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/starlink-helps-u...

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Post by ramesh31 »

georgeg23 wrote: post #7

There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

>At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

They do themselves. ITAR compliance is a prerequisite to employment at SpaceX.

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Post by 01100011 »

georgeg23 wrote: post #7

There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

I would venture a guess that nearly every SiValley darling supports the military-industrial complex in some fashion. The military-industrial complex started SiValley, after all.

If you don't think there's a military application for AI, self-driving whatevers, logistics innovations, or even social media you are uninformed or willfully ignorant.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

georgeg23 wrote: post #7

There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

> some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company

What is the real-world outcome you're going for?

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Post by xxpor »

atlasunshrugged wrote: post #10
georgeg23 wrote: post #7

There were protests at SpaceX when it was revealed the Turksat 5B satellite would command and control these TB2 drones, extending their range from operator line-of-sight to near global. Elon decided to go ahead with the launch. At some point we need to start calling SpaceX a defense company.

Do people not consider SpaceX a defense company? At the very least I thought people always considered it dual-use

You can't work there (except possibly in some minor roles) if you're not a US Person as defined by ITAR for a reason.
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