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Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies

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Re: Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies

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You mean, by coming in tune with ones own body and mind people start to value themselves? Call me shocked!

In all seriousness, people who know what they want tend to come across as selfish. I don’t know why people consider this bad. All airlines tell you to put on your masks, before helping others (in their emergency videos). The idea being, you must be capable in order to help others.

I think this is something many altruists miss. Society is best when everyone is healthy and capable. Teach a man to fish, as opposed to giving him a fish, so to speak.

Re: Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies

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So reading through this it's kind of interesting to look between the lines. There has always been vapid social vampires in our midst that would leech from others around them in any way that they could. It could be in monetary support, social and emotional support etc... And these vampires would do it naturally never thinking to give anything in return. The rise of the selfie cam and social media has created even more…

How do you draw that conclusion when the study says: "Experiments 2a-2c found that induced state mindfulness reduced the willingness to engage in reparative behaviors in normally guilt-inducing situations." This is about people who has has wronged others becoming less likely to make up for it after practicing mindfulness. Meaning, this is about mindfulness making more vapid social vampires who just take without givin…

Not to make any assumptions one way or another, but both the article's conclusions and your rebuttal are predicated on the initial feelings of guilt stemming from a genuine wrong.

If we posit instead that the guilt stemmed from a bad faith interaction initiated by a 'vapid social vampire', then correctly rejecting the guilt would be consistent with rejecting said vampires.

Ie. the truth of the grandparent's comment has no bearing on the results of this study (only its interpretation) or vice versa.

Re: Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies

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You mean, by coming in tune with ones own body and mind people start to value themselves? Call me shocked! In all seriousness, people who know what they want tend to come across as selfish. I don’t know why people consider this bad. All airlines tell you to put on your masks, before helping others (in their emergency videos). The idea being, you must be capable in order to help others. I think this is something many…

I agree in principle, but anecdotally, I've seen lots wealthy folks in California get very into mindfulness which makes them feel great about themselves and feel more enlightened, but they do absolutely nothing to help others in any way. They only seem to become more self absorbed. Actually, it's not just wealthy people, I've seen it happen to poor folks who get into that too.

Re: Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies

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10-20 minutes/day was enough to teach me how to be 'mindful' on demand and mitigated a lot of mild ADHD-type problems in my life (impatience, anger, finding queues unbearable, high sensitivity to noise etc.). I spent a few months doing more, and it may not be related, but I became increasingly detached from the outside world, more self-absorbed and less motivated. Spent a lot of time just sitting and being content wi…

Mind sharing your routine? Dealing w/ similar issues and been meaning to try this sort of thing for a while after a few friends have recommended it…

Re: Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A recent Dr K video tries to address this problem. I Meditated, Now I Don't Care Anymore - https://youtu.be/NnTLJtBr1zo

Is it good to not care?

“Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun.”

- Alan Watts

Re: Emerging evidence that mindfulness can sometimes increase selfish tendencies

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You mean, by coming in tune with ones own body and mind people start to value themselves? Call me shocked! In all seriousness, people who know what they want tend to come across as selfish. I don’t know why people consider this bad. All airlines tell you to put on your masks, before helping others (in their emergency videos). The idea being, you must be capable in order to help others. I think this is something many…

I agree in principle, but anecdotally, I've seen lots wealthy folks in California get very into mindfulness which makes them feel great about themselves and feel more enlightened, but they do absolutely nothing to help others in any way. They only seem to become more self absorbed. Actually, it's not just wealthy people, I've seen it happen to poor folks who get into that too.

‘You are what you do, not what you think.’

- badly paraphrased from Gary John Bishop

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