Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by dominotw » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:01 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #9

thawaya3113 wrote: post #8

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Just because a tool is great for working remotely does not mean remote working is good. Turkey marketing its drones as great for war does not mean Turkey is being hypocritical for saying that war isn’t good.

> Just because a tool is great for working remotely does not mean remote working is good. So lets say Apple doesn't believe "remote working" is good in general. Why would they be building tools for something they don't think is good?

> Why would they be building tools for something they don't think is good?

other than profits for shareholders?

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by thawaya3113 » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:01 PM UTC

fortran77 wrote: post #5

dominotw wrote: post #3

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i don't see how thats hypocritical though.

There’s a big difference between what’s needed to design and build something and what’s needed to use something. I hope Tim Cook fires all these whiners.

They aren’t being fired for having different opinions.

They are being fired for (a) essentially explicitly stating they are not gonna do a good job working in the way the company thinks its employees should be working (b) trying to get the company to change through “open letters” through the press.

Both (a) and (b) are reasons for firing on their own. It has nothing to do with differing opinions.

It’s like me telling my team that since the Product Owner did not prioritize the feature I think is critical for us to work on first, I will not really do a good job with working on the features the PO did prioritize.

The company would be foolish to fire me because I said our PO sucks and makes terrible decisions. The company would not be foolish to fire me because I said that because I disagree with the PO I’m gonna do a half hearted job. Especially if the way I communicated this to the company is through a half page advert in the NYTimes.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by thawaya3113 » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:07 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #9

thawaya3113 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because a tool is great for working remotely does not mean remote working is good. Turkey marketing its drones as great for war does not mean Turkey is being hypocritical for saying that war isn’t good.

> Just because a tool is great for working remotely does not mean remote working is good. So lets say Apple doesn't believe "remote working" is good in general. Why would they be building tools for something they don't think is good?

I don’t see Apple claiming remote working is not good in general. They just don’t believe remote working is good for them.

And again, Turkey creating great drones does not require them to believe war is good.

This is a pretty straightforward logical fallacy.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by Cuuugi » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:08 PM UTC

and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied"

I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:10 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #7

fortran77 wrote: post #5

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There’s a big difference between what’s needed to design and build something and what’s needed to use something. I hope Tim Cook fires all these whiners.

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Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by tharne » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:12 PM UTC

Stop whining and vote with your feet. If you're talented enough to work for Apple, there are plenty of other wonderful companies out there that will happily let you work remotely.

Not every company needs to have the exact same policies on everything.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:15 PM UTC

Cuuugi wrote: post #14

and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.

Please think for a second about how a WFH policy might impact some groups more than others.

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by pjc50 » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

fortran77 wrote: post #5

dominotw wrote: post #3

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i don't see how thats hypocritical though.

There’s a big difference between what’s needed to design and build something and what’s needed to use something. I hope Tim Cook fires all these whiners.

Why? What harm is it to you?

Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #17

Cuuugi wrote: post #14

and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.

Please think for a second about how a WFH policy might impact some groups more than others.

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Re: Apple employees criticize work-from-home policy in open letter

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Post by markovbot » Tue, May 03, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #17

Cuuugi wrote: post #14

and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.

Please think for a second about how a WFH policy might impact some groups more than others.

I don't think that's physically possible on HN