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Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by elithrar »

MrScruff wrote: post #8
apgwoz wrote: post #5

With that ISO range, they've effectively eliminated the need for flash on 80%+ of photographs. Obviously, you'd still want flash for fill and studio situations, but sports photographers, and everyone else, even (maybe) concert photographers, can probably get away without! Amazing.

At 11 stops up from ISO 100, you're getting to have a great deal of noise at the max ISO I would have thought even at full frame.

> At 11 stops up from ISO 100, you're getting to have a great deal of noise at the max ISO I would have thought even at full frame.

You'd be surprised how clean some of these things are, especially so if you don't plan on blowing things up big. Plus, with NR software these days, you can easily get usable 12,800 ISO & 25,600 ISO shots if you expose them well.

The real trick to shooting in low-light is nailing the exposure; too dark and you'll have dirty highlights, too light and you'll have blotchy, noisy shadows.

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by 0x12 »

jgrahamc wrote: post #10
rdtsc wrote: post #7

> Canon has also eliminated the 4GB clip limit, though individual clips are limited to 29:59, in order to avoid European tax rates affecting HD cameras that can capture single HD video clips longer than 30 minutes What is that all about? Why a special tax rate? Can't the camera just save 29:59 clips and then stitch them together...

It's a duty that goes back a long way (back to the start of the VCR revolution) because the EU wanted to protect its own manufacturers from cheap technology coming from abroad. So they (we) enacted a bunch of laws that place quite high duty (up to 15% IIRC) on some technologies.

Let's hope that Canon will allow a hack to escape from their labs to rectify this bug after the camera reaches the end user.

A tax on an integer seems to be a bit silly.

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by maximusprime »

rdtsc wrote: post #7

> Canon has also eliminated the 4GB clip limit, though individual clips are limited to 29:59, in order to avoid European tax rates affecting HD cameras that can capture single HD video clips longer than 30 minutes What is that all about? Why a special tax rate? Can't the camera just save 29:59 clips and then stitch them together...

I had a HDD camcorder that was crippled. You could only mount the hdd in it as read only in the EU model, but r/w in the US model.

Apparently if they made it r/w in the EU it'd be classed as a VCR and have a big tax applied or something, so they had to cripple it.

These sort of laws need to go away.

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by rdtsc »

0x12 wrote: post #12
jgrahamc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a duty that goes back a long way (back to the start of the VCR revolution) because the EU wanted to protect its own manufacturers from cheap technology coming from abroad. So they (we) enacted a bunch of laws that place quite high duty (up to 15% IIRC) on some technologies.

Let's hope that Canon will allow a hack to escape from their labs to rectify this bug after the camera reaches the end user. A tax on an integer seems to be a bit silly.

Why not just even openly post it and make a note on their website that it is only for non-EU customers and also mention the reason and put a link to the exact law. Would that get them off the hook?

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by 0x12 »

rdtsc wrote: post #14
0x12 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's hope that Canon will allow a hack to escape from their labs to rectify this bug after the camera reaches the end user. A tax on an integer seems to be a bit silly.

Why not just even openly post it and make a note on their website that it is only for non-EU customers and also mention the reason and put a link to the exact law. Would that get them off the hook?

It might, or it might get them in trouble. In their position there is no upside from doing it that way but plenty of potential downside.

For instance, one way in which that could be struck down is to use that message as a pretext to levy the fee anyway on this camera.

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by apgwoz »

elithrar wrote: post #11
MrScruff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 11 stops up from ISO 100, you're getting to have a great deal of noise at the max ISO I would have thought even at full frame.

> At 11 stops up from ISO 100, you're getting to have a great deal of noise at the max ISO I would have thought even at full frame. You'd be surprised how clean some of these things are, especially so if you don't plan on blowing things up big. Plus, with NR software these days, you can easily get usable 12,800 ISO & 25,600 ISO shots if you expose them well . The real trick to shooting in low-light is nailing the exp…

I'm still using a D70s as my primary camera, but I have to say, when Nikon released it's first camera that supported ISO 6400, they made available full resolution JPGs. You could see a bit of noise if you looked really hard for it, but, it effectively wasn't there. I can only imagine that 25,600 ISO is almost just as good as that. And, quite frankly, it's simply amazing.

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by dconway »

elithrar wrote: post #11
MrScruff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 11 stops up from ISO 100, you're getting to have a great deal of noise at the max ISO I would have thought even at full frame.

> At 11 stops up from ISO 100, you're getting to have a great deal of noise at the max ISO I would have thought even at full frame. You'd be surprised how clean some of these things are, especially so if you don't plan on blowing things up big. Plus, with NR software these days, you can easily get usable 12,800 ISO & 25,600 ISO shots if you expose them well . The real trick to shooting in low-light is nailing the exp…

Sweet. I've always wanted to look inside people's pores.

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by jsavimbi »

timmyd wrote: post #2

But what about my iPhone 4S camera ? Please someone offer me comparison [jokes] :)

Apple announces iPhone 4S: fit-in-your-pocket 8MP, 30 fps, 73% more light, starting at $199 on a monthly contract.

Given that 1% create, 10% curate and 90% consume, unless you're in that high art 1% of photographers, the iPhone 4S is your man. Or woman.

Re: Canon announces EOS-1D X: full-frame 18MP, 14 fps, 204,800 top ISO, $6,800

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Post by danso »

Glad they didn't try to make a jump in the MP race (my 3-yr-old 5dII has 21.1 MP, but of course, only 3.9 fps)

ISO/noise-reduction is the most important thing to me as I don't like using a strobe. However, as I like having a reasonably portable camera, I hope they make an upgrade soon to the 5D line. How many non-sports/war shooters need this kind of frame rate anyway?

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