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At one company I worked at only one thing mattered: the yearly bonus

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Another thing that happens that I didn’t see mentioned is that people at higher levels will only allow incompetent people to be promoted to their level.

If they allowed the best people to get promoted to their level, it would adversely impact their own bonuses and career. So instead they fight to get incompetent people promoted to their level so they have no competition.

Re: At one company I worked at only one thing mattered: the yearly bonus

#13

Ive never really understood bonuses for engineers, just provide more base pay

Since it's so hard to fire people, it's better for the company to have 50% of your salary as a bonus.

Even most people that are doing nothing can probably do nothing somewhere else for 100% or their salary.

If you do nothing at the company, they can pay you $0 bonus and hope you get mad and quit and go do nothing somewhere else instead.

Re: At one company I worked at only one thing mattered: the yearly bonus

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Ive never really understood bonuses for engineers, just provide more base pay

It's cheaper for the company, essentially trading mean for variance.

Bad years, you have a trivial pay cut (no to low bonus), good years people get money. If you have very high base pay, bad years you lose money.

If you're young, volatility is ok. If you're getting older and have kids, then you value certainty a bit more and want higher base pay, but you might make less money overall (say 2 dollars bonus is equal to 1 guaranteed dollar, but this is obviously highly dependent on the company/sector)

Re: At one company I worked at only one thing mattered: the yearly bonus

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post #7

The smartest piece of advice I ever got on bonuses: they are part of your salary that your employer reserves the right to discretionarily not pay you. I consider bonuses of absolutely no account in a comp package. If they are given, I happily accept. If not, I have no disappointment. I give the company my diligent efforts because I care about my responsibilities and my colleagues regardless. A carrot on a treadmill i…

You say that now, but once you actually are in such a position and you realize that you could pay off your college debt plus your mortgage in 2-3 years, things might change in your mind.

Re: At one company I worked at only one thing mattered: the yearly bonus

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post #5

If you replace the word "bonus" with "promo", then you unfortunately get an eerily-accurate reflection of the state of FAANG companies.

Yep. The best time to get a promotion is as you interview. The second best time is now...at another company.

Thankfully, at a large company with plenty of hard problems to solve (and smart folks to work with), you can grow quite a lot whether or not the company chooses to recognize said growth.

Re: At one company I worked at only one thing mattered: the yearly bonus

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post #11

Another thing that happens that I didn’t see mentioned is that people at higher levels will only allow incompetent people to be promoted to their level. If they allowed the best people to get promoted to their level, it would adversely impact their own bonuses and career. So instead they fight to get incompetent people promoted to their level so they have no competition.

He does mention it at the hiring stage.
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