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Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by boomboomsubban »

photochemsyn wrote: post #7

Shouldn't the title be "Espionage or Whistleblowing?" Journalism would just be reporting on the events. For example, Daniel Ellsberg, leaking Pentagon Papers - basically everyone now agrees that was legitimate whistleblowing as it proved leading government figures were lying through their teeth to the American public about the reality on the ground in Vietnam. In contrast, Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were CIA and…

The story is about whether Gellman was a spy like many in the intelligence community including Clapper claim he is. It's about his works with Snowden's documents, not Snowden himself.

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Post by gentleman11 »

whatshisface wrote: post #4
bediger4000 wrote: post #2

The "Snowden Associate" in the title is Bart Gellman, a long time Washington Post reporter who's covered national security issues in some detail for years and years. Just looking at his Wikipedia entry, he's been a thorn in the side of the DoD and other authorities forever. This is not to make light or, or poo-poo his concerns or the counter-measures he takes, but rather to note that he should be watching his back af…

There is no real evidence that the NSA kills its enemies or even that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Fi...

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Post by farias0 »

mhh__ wrote: post #9
bostonsre wrote: post #6

I wonder what Snowden thinks of having to live in Russia now with the war in Ukraine. It must be a little awkward.

Didn't he basically say "OK I was wrong, I'm gonna shut up" over the war?

That was because he had said he doubted Russia would invade Ukraine. I doubt he feels differently about seeking asylum, considering the alternative.

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Post by sha256sum »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #11
photochemsyn wrote: post #7

Shouldn't the title be "Espionage or Whistleblowing?" Journalism would just be reporting on the events. For example, Daniel Ellsberg, leaking Pentagon Papers - basically everyone now agrees that was legitimate whistleblowing as it proved leading government figures were lying through their teeth to the American public about the reality on the ground in Vietnam. In contrast, Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were CIA and…

The story is about whether Gellman was a spy like many in the intelligence community including Clapper claim he is. It's about his works with Snowden's documents, not Snowden himself.

Well if you’re going to post three-letter-agency FUD at least include some links to backup your claims?

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Post by chrononaut »

gentleman11 wrote: post #12
whatshisface wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no real evidence that the NSA kills its enemies or even that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Fi...

Fidel Castro was an American citizen?

> .. that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by boomboomsubban »

sha256sum wrote: post #14
boomboomsubban wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story is about whether Gellman was a spy like many in the intelligence community including Clapper claim he is. It's about his works with Snowden's documents, not Snowden himself.

Well if you’re going to post three-letter-agency FUD at least include some links to backup your claims?

Huh? The article discusses his conversations with several high ranking members of the intelligence community. And their programs monitoring the press and their lengthy classified dossier on the author. For example

>Mueller cross-examined me: Were the NSA documents not lawfully classified? Were they not stolen? Did I not publish them anyway?

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by photochemsyn »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #11
photochemsyn wrote: post #7

Shouldn't the title be "Espionage or Whistleblowing?" Journalism would just be reporting on the events. For example, Daniel Ellsberg, leaking Pentagon Papers - basically everyone now agrees that was legitimate whistleblowing as it proved leading government figures were lying through their teeth to the American public about the reality on the ground in Vietnam. In contrast, Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were CIA and…

The story is about whether Gellman was a spy like many in the intelligence community including Clapper claim he is. It's about his works with Snowden's documents, not Snowden himself.

What I don't understand is why Clapper wasn't at the very least charged with perjury for lying to Congress under oath.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/5-people-who-lied-...

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Post by sha256sum »

whatshisface wrote: post #4
bediger4000 wrote: post #2

The "Snowden Associate" in the title is Bart Gellman, a long time Washington Post reporter who's covered national security issues in some detail for years and years. Just looking at his Wikipedia entry, he's been a thorn in the side of the DoD and other authorities forever. This is not to make light or, or poo-poo his concerns or the counter-measures he takes, but rather to note that he should be watching his back af…

There is no real evidence that the NSA kills its enemies or even that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

Context: “ In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged, shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at his Chicago apartment by a tactical unit of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, who received aid from the Chicago Police Department and the FBI leading up to the attack.”

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by harry8 »

"SINCE I MET EDWARD SNOWDEN, I’VE NEVER STOPPED WATCHING MY BACK"

That is the title of the article when I click the link. (Caps and all came through in copy-paste). Where is this "Espionage or Journalism" coming from? Are there different titles shown to different viewers?

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