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The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by robbedpeter »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #6
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

I think THC affects some people by kicking their anxiety into high gear (I know that's the case for me). One day, we'll probably figure out the genetics underlying that effect.

For me, the paranoid/anxious/fixated type of high can be a feature, not a bug. I try to meditate when it happens. Marijuana can be a tool to exaggerate the way you're feeling about mistakes, shortcomings, and flaws you perceive in yourself, and when you're not high, you can assess what to do about how you're feeling. It's helped me make peace with my self image, and forced me to confront negative habits and patterns in my life.

Drugs can be great to poke and prod your psyche and help with questions like "why do I think or feel like this?"

Identifying things in your environment that trigger anxiety or paranoia can also make your home a more comfortable and cozy place. When your perception is altered, it's an opportunity to learn new things. The new perspective can be a valuable tool for becoming a better version of yourself.

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Post by supertofu »

tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Ayahuasca "cured" my depression. When I say "cured", I mean that it helped me experience my mind without depression. Because I was able to step out of depression for the first time since prepubescence, I realized it was possible for my mind to exist away from depression. That realization was profound and critical to regaining my mental health.

Psychedelics are very powerful. Ayahuasca in particular can and does induce psychotomimetic states, as described in the article. If you are not in ceremony with a trained plant medicine practitioner, this "pseudo psychosis" can become very overwhelming and even damaging.

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Post by wnolens »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #6
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

I think THC affects some people by kicking their anxiety into high gear (I know that's the case for me). One day, we'll probably figure out the genetics underlying that effect.

This is true for me. But it wasn't always the case.

It used to be a release from the grip of boredom and permit my brain to dance about joyfully.

Now it flips my anxiety switch and I get stuck in a self conscious loop. Almost the opposite. Wish I could go back.

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Post by wnolens »

tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Any advice on the sitter? I don't have the perfect friend available, not sure there's an option here except to do it alone or not at all

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Post by tomatowurst »

supertofu wrote: post #12
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Ayahuasca "cured" my depression. When I say "cured", I mean that it helped me experience my mind without depression. Because I was able to step out of depression for the first time since prepubescence, I realized it was possible for my mind to exist away from depression. That realization was profound and critical to regaining my mental health. Psychedelics are very powerful. Ayahuasca in particular can and does induc…

whew, ayahuasca is a whole different beast and frankly is frightens me and I don't think I ever want to be in a position where I do it.

psilocybin's come up is frightening/anxiety/panic inducing as it is....I don't think I can ever jump over ayahuasca, that seems like a whole different animal.

For me I feel like psilocybin "reset" my brain and there's some long lasting protection mechanism against depressive thinking. Even if I do feel down, something pulls me out of it. Whereas depression once it pulls you in, it likes to keep you there.

Do not take psychedelics lightly, especially ayahuasca and heroic doses. Even for the come up on psilocybin, it required considerable self calming and focused willpower to overcome the fear of losing ego. But my god, what comes after, the clarity, the peace, love and lingering positivity....zero chance the pharmaceutical community will be able to replicate it.

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Post by tomatowurst »

wnolens wrote: post #13
radicaldreamer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think THC affects some people by kicking their anxiety into high gear (I know that's the case for me). One day, we'll probably figure out the genetics underlying that effect.

This is true for me. But it wasn't always the case. It used to be a release from the grip of boredom and permit my brain to dance about joyfully. Now it flips my anxiety switch and I get stuck in a self conscious loop. Almost the opposite. Wish I could go back.

was why i stopped taking marijuana, if absolutely need be, a low THC + high CBD combination seems to put anxiety at bay but what I dislike is the racing thoughts, the euphoria that kicks you out of boredom but keeps you coming back.

some people don't seem to have it as bad but for me I really struggle with the popular belief that marijuana is harmless. We simply don't know, we are guinea pigs with these high thc marijuana.

I certainly wasn't my best with it, it magnified emotions and past memories, it exasperated my OCD/ADD. Looking back, I really wish I hadn't used marijuana but at the same time, glad I went through that phase when I was younger.

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Post by Trasmatta »

tomatowurst wrote: post #9
radicaldreamer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard this is only effective at "heroic" doses -- most studies also use a high dose (>= 25 mg psilocybin)

going to be honest i really don't buy this microdose, your body will quickly build natural tolerance to psilocybin. this is not like THC or alcohol where you drink tiny amounts, the effects will be felt. it makes sense why the body builds tolerance to psilocybin so rapidly and half life is quite long (at least a month or two) for evolutionary purposes. which to me is interesting because it shows that we've evolved to…

> it makes sense why the body builds tolerance to psilocybin so rapidly and half life is quite long (at least a month or two) for evolutionary purposes

The half life of psilocybin is only a couple of hours, not a couple of months. The mental after effects can linger for a long time of course, if that's what you mean.

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Post by Malp »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #6
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

I think THC affects some people by kicking their anxiety into high gear (I know that's the case for me). One day, we'll probably figure out the genetics underlying that effect.

Absolutely. I'll add that there has been some preliminary exploration[0] into the genetics already; many would dismiss the psychotic and psychedelic (often disturbing and unpleasant) trips that some experience from THC (or cannabis, but this study focused on THC rather than other cannabinoids that may have been present), but there's already an established case that suggest that it's not simply an anxiety-ridden trip.

0: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4872423/

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by jokowueu »

tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

For PTSD i recommend taking a look at stellate gangelion block

https://youtu.be/nC2fBe6U7lg

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Post by jstx1 »

tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Why psilocybin and not LSD?
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