No taxes. No welfare. Welcome to libertarian paradise island

Post by homonculus1 » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

Comevius wrote: post #4

It's 500 people on a tiny island demonstrating that 500 people don't need a government to function as a community. They say they can just make agreements between themselves, which is the purpose of the government, to solve that problem at scale. If one of them needs help I'm sure the rest of them would try to help, which is what wellfare is when millions of people are involved. I'm guessing that if I go there and sta…

Post by strikelaserclaw » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

homonculus1 wrote: post #11

Comevius wrote: post #4

It's 500 people on a tiny island demonstrating that 500 people don't need a government to function as a community. They say they can just make agreements between themselves, which is the purpose of the government, to solve that problem at scale. If one of them needs help I'm sure the rest of them would try to help, which is what wellfare is when millions of people are involved. I'm guessing that if I go there and sta…

If you piss off 500 people on an island with no police force I suspect YOU are going to learn how informal governance works!

Post by s1artibartfast » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

Comevius wrote: post #12

s1artibartfast wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anarcocapitalist and Libertarian frameworks can still have methods of dealing with such problems. At best they have laws, contracts, and private police and you would be sued. At worst, they might shoot you.

I have a feeling that my waste dumping company would have a better chance at owning that private police, and the people making the laws. And the media. There would be many ways to distract and exploit the people. Creating uncertainty and a conspiratory political culture would capture most by offering a simplified, stabilized world and a sense of community. Exploiting distrustful people is the biggest industry there e…

Post by dTal » Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 9:34 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #15

Comevius wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that my waste dumping company would have a better chance at owning that private police, and the people making the laws. And the media. There would be many ways to distract and exploit the people. Creating uncertainty and a conspiratory political culture would capture most by offering a simplified, stabilized world and a sense of community. Exploiting distrustful people is the biggest industry there e…

The media and public sentiment shouldn't have anything to do with it. The key to all this is if you have rights to where you are dumping/storing waste. If you own the land and aren't damaging others, then you get to do it. If you dump on someone else's property, they might shoot you. Then entire selling point of libertarianism is that the opinions of others are irrelevant because there it minimal government power.

Post by saganus » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 1:24 AM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #18

dTal wrote: post #17

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>Then entire selling point of libertarianism is that the opinions of others are irrelevant Beautifully put. It should be on a t-shirt. But then, the very concept of a "right" is defined by mutual agreement. Who is to say what "rights" you do or don't have?

You need a constitution to define rights and to stick to it. It is a contract and can't be whittled down or imposed on by public opinion. If own the rights to land, you can do with it what you want. If you want to put a garbage dump next to a playground, that is their problem if you aren't physically hurting them. Libertarians absolutely believe in laws that uphold rights, and legal precedent describing how rights in…