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Is growth linear, not exponential?

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Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

#11

Can’t you model almost anything as a piecewise linear function? I don’t know if this claim is saying much of substance.

Yes, but if your data is actually exponential, the linear segments are not going to be better approximations than an exponential curve. That's what's going on here

NB: "Note that both of these charts are on a log scale."

Appears to apply to the two preceding linear-scale charts.

Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

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Can’t you model almost anything as a piecewise linear function? I don’t know if this claim is saying much of substance.

Yes, but if your data is actually exponential, the linear segments are not going to be better approximations than an exponential curve. That's what's going on here

The dangerous bit is that an exponential curve will also be a fairly good fit for a logistic function that's not yet fully observed.

Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

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Is this new? I remember reading an article a long time ago (maybe 15 years?) discussing how growth in aircraft speed was overall exponential, but linear for each new technology that was introduced.

You can get an exponential growth if the time until the next technology decreases linearly with each technology.

For example the time until the next technology is 1/n, then the technologies per unit time increase exponentially.

This is true within a constant which is https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_constant

A justification for maybe why this is the right model is that the previous n technologies all help make the next technology possible in time ~1/n because they (n existing technologies) all contribute to innovating the next technology.

Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

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post #3

Is this new? I remember reading an article a long time ago (maybe 15 years?) discussing how growth in aircraft speed was overall exponential, but linear for each new technology that was introduced.

How is aircraft limited to the speed of sound still?

Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but if your data is actually exponential, the linear segments are not going to be better approximations than an exponential curve. That's what's going on here

The dangerous bit is that an exponential curve will also be a fairly good fit for a logistic function that's not yet fully observed.

Every apparent exponential in the real universe must actually be a logistic or some other bounded curve.

Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

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Is this new? I remember reading an article a long time ago (maybe 15 years?) discussing how growth in aircraft speed was overall exponential, but linear for each new technology that was introduced.

It would be a change to macro models of economic growth, if accepted. The default is that TFP grows exponentially. There's also a useful comment by Marginal Revolution here ( https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2022/04/ad... ) where he points out that TFP itself is really just a residual, and perhaps not a very well-defined concept. That is, if you regress Y = AK^beta L^(1-beta) with K being the amount…

Why is TFP assumed exponential by default? What's the theory behind that? A time lag in the transfer between exponential input growth (e.g. population) and exponential output growth?

Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

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Can’t you model almost anything as a piecewise linear function? I don’t know if this claim is saying much of substance.

Yes, but if your data is actually exponential, the linear segments are not going to be better approximations than an exponential curve. That's what's going on here

I'm not sure that's true in general, nor even frequently. In fact, I'd say it's provably false in general.

The big issue is that you get MANY more curve-fitting parameters to play with if you use a piece-wise linear model vs. an exponential model. (You get to choose HOW MANY breaks to make, what the slope is for each section, and WHERE to make the breaks.)

So... Let's say you created some synthetic data using an underlying exponential plus a normally distributed random number. Obviously, the BEST predictive model is an exponential one. However, for any arbitrary number of observations, I guarantee you there's trivially at least one piece-wise linear model that will have less error than the exponential one. Consider the one that is simply a straight line between EVERY point. Obviously that has zero error compared to the exponential model. Yet, it has very little predictive power compared to the exponential model.

Now, that's not what was done here... but there's actually quite a few parameters in the form of where to make the breaks and how many to make. Doesn't seem like a fair comparison.

Re: Is growth linear, not exponential?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you zoom in far enough every curve looks linear.

Not quite! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weierstrass_function

Heh. Reminds me of how gamers manage to find exploits to cheese speed runs while developers react in dismay.
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