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Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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Google used to have this. It showed search results from all kinds of different forums. Remember vbulletin and phpbb? It was a really useful feature and I don’t know why Google removed it. I guess the equivalent search function in 2022 would search reddit, fb groups and discord.

I don't remember using that feature but just like I add reddit today, I used to add vbulletin.

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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The content of Reddit discussions on relative merit are terrible. Usually a bunch of groups are repeating long-held misconceptions that may have been true at some point but are no longer true, and get upvoted by people that recognize the same out-of-date facts. I'm not saying the web-at-large is _much_ better, but curated content from true experts _tends_ to be a lot better (finding those experts is obviously hard).…

Yep, you should also be careful of people shilling (not even corporate brands doing marketing but regular people who are shareholders in a stock shilling!). For example /r/buildapc famously has a bias towards AMD CPU/GPU because many posters there are $AMD holders. Same goes for Tesla across pretty much all subreddits.

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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Brave should work with Facebook to unlock a massive amount of this content. Facebook will not work with Google for competitive reasons, and for similar reasons, it would make sense for them to build up a search competitor like Brave. My own personal experience is that Facebook Groups have some of the best content on the internet for a number of hobbies. For example, if you want to know how to grow tea, or create a ne…

I agree. This is an unpopular opinion but Facebook is gating a significant part of the internet from search engines. Hopefully now that their growth is slowing they might have to unblock it.

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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What I want is a search engine which searches the complete content of every paper, including both original research reports and reviews, published in a peer-reviewed journal since 1900. No, not just abstracts.

Of course we can't have that since it's all hidden behind proprietary paywalls, and so much for the promise that the Internet would be the greatest source of information for all and would open up the knowledge base for every human being on the planet.

That's the scientific knowledge base, and it's absolutely ridiculous that people anywhere can't search through it easily in today's world.

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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How concerned should we be that this only works because currently SEO has no incentive to target Reddit or StackOverflow, and if this takes off, those communities will be overrun by SEO spam?

It is exactly that. I'm not sure what the norms are on linking vs copying own posts here, so for now I'm going with both.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30369746

21 points by Nowado 62 days ago | parent | context | prev | next [–] | on: Reddit can't build a better search engine

Marketer perspective: you can not build a communication tool you find useful that won't end up being used to make money. It will get figured out. I could go into a bit more philosophical angle with reterritorialization done by capital, but I think it's much simpler to consider the following: between politics (where once any division in population is found, it becomes valuable instantly), classical business marketing (where once anyone makes purchasing decision informed by something, it becomes valuable), capital markets (where once anything can be used to predict anything about any company or asset class, it becomes valuable) and more personal scams (where once you figure out someone's niche interest, it becomes valuable) there just isn't anything left. Go ahead, try to find something.

Reddit is being constantly targeted. I still use it, because what else?, but if the method isn't obvious, here's what you do: you are hired by/own small company making niche potato chips dip sold via Amazon. You go to google keywords and check 'potato chips dip', you google all you can find there and some of your ideas, you write down all top10 results and check every now and then (well, your SEO monitoring app does it for you). Whatever you find that allows for user input, you generate that input - accounts are cheap - and maybe do some external SEO (thus beating 99,9% of social media results online).

That's it, it's easy. What Reddit (and any mildly aware SM company) does, is they try to offer marketers access to audience for a price that's lower than cost of what I just described. There will be edge cases, especially on international markets where value of time for various business owners differs vastly, which will lead to sites slowly getting more clogged up with ads, but that's the general gist. If you can imagine using similar method to get in front of your eyes when you're looking for something, then it would just be quite weird if nobody ever did it.

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

how would that work? the point of the SEO spam is to fill up a site with 'content' and then sell ads or affiliate links to make money on that site You can't really make money by commenting on Reddit, they are very agressive about affiliate links and banning

Yeah, I'm not sure it would work the same as current SEO spam, but I just feel like some portion of this idea is predicated on mis-aligning incentives. Right now, SEO has no incentive to go after Reddit comments, so Reddit comments are (apparently) higher quality than raw search results. But once search engines start directing people to Reddit comments, the SEO's incentives shift, and it feels like their behavior wou…

It looks like these days, NLP models are able to “seem” human. Start generating many reddit accounts, act like humans, gain karma. When an important discussion appears, use the army of bots to debate that product A is better than product B

EDIT: If previously the race was to make a business look legitimate (page rank), then now it is about making users look legitimate (human rank)

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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What I want is a search engine which searches the complete content of every paper, including both original research reports and reviews, published in a peer-reviewed journal since 1900. No, not just abstracts. Of course we can't have that since it's all hidden behind proprietary paywalls, and so much for the promise that the Internet would be the greatest source of information for all and would open up the knowledge…

Like google scholar?

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22t...

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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How concerned should we be that this only works because currently SEO has no incentive to target Reddit or StackOverflow, and if this takes off, those communities will be overrun by SEO spam?

Kind of sideways related to "Goodhart's law" -- "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure."

Which kind of dooms all web search now that one thinks about it.

Re: Discussions: Real human answers in search results

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ooh this is really good, granted I'm biased because I am already a Brave user Also its not just reddit they are integrated with, if I search 'best catfishing austin' I see they've pulled our local fishing discussion board thats like an old school php forum and a great resource. That forum is nowhere on the front page of google for this search , instead there are lots of made for SEO 'magazines' there

Wow I'm impressed to see smaller forums like that show up, nice.
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