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Manager's Handbook (2020)

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I went through half of it. I think it has promise, but not really sure I would call it a handbook. Some things are just strange to me:

> A senior employee comes to you with a competitive offer in hand, asking for a promotion. You investigate the situation and decide that, since you really don’t want to lose this employee, you will cave and give them a promotion.

> You have just created a strong incentive for political behavior.

Hard disagree. People look for more responsibility / jobs all the time and when they come to you saying they want to stay and this is their condition, you better honor it and not call it "politics". They don't have to do that at all and now you're back to hiring or backfilling.

This is also literally the opposite of the highlights saying:

> Attract, nurture, coach, and retain talent.

> Keep an eye on your team's health and happiness.

> Give your team a clear path to progress in their careers.

Also this section on remote work is so out of touch:

> Always have your camera on for meetings and touchpoints. Please ask others to do so as well. This is non-negotiable. There should be no state in which you are working where your camera can't be turned on. If you look like ass, own the fact that you look like ass and understand that at some point the people you are talking to will look like ass too. If you don't want to turn the camera on because you are sitting in bed and it's all messed up, then get out of the bed and go sit at a table or something. This isn't rocket science. Be 100% of yourself at all times, but be professional.

An executive definitely wrote this. I bet they don't show their face to every call they take. The pandemic has made this normal, but prior to it I think this would be challenged. I don't need to see your face to work with you. Sure let's do it often, but not 24/7.

> The terms “management” and “leadership” are often used interchangeably, but they are actually two distinct things. In short, management is tactical and leadership is strategic.

This attitude I think harms the merit of what management really is. Management is a noble profession that people think is separate from leadership. They are the same regardless of what you think. I think Clayton Christensen said it best:

> “I used to think that if you cared for other people, you need to study sociology or something like it. But….I [have] concluded, if you want to help other people, be a manager. If done well, management is among the most noble of professions. You are in a position where you have eight or ten hours every day from every person who works for you. You have the opportunity to frame each person’s work so that, at the end of every day, your employees will go home feeling like Diana felt on her good day: living a life filled with motivators.”

I would overall call this a generic self-help guide for someone who happens to be a manager. It literally includes word for word ideas in the most random places like GTD, stoicism, and even a section on sales?

Re: Manager's Handbook (2020)

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Being a manager in modern day means you have to accept being a devious person to a certain degree. You are in the middle of managing two conflicting goals of company and the employee. Each wants to extract as much as possible from the other. Promotions for example are always based on nebulous criteria that are often made up on the fly. Yea there are career ladders and stuff but those are totally ignored for all pract…

There is a lot to unpack in this comment, but in general the situation described here is specific to certain kinds of organizations, with lamentably poor leadership and management cultures. If management views the employer-employee relationship as some sort of zero-sum game - they have already lost that game. In companies with mature (which doesn't mean old - a relatively young company can also be well-run!) structur…

A lot of orgs don't control their promotion cycle.

Imagine a local unit with the budget given for promotions from global is announced after the yearly promotion discussions of all team leaders happened.

So they had to come up with some form of ranking so that the cut off can be made based on the available budget.

So even if 15 people had done all that their team leads said would be necessary for a promotion the decision hinges on some internal ranking as well as a globally decided budget.

Re: Manager's Handbook (2020)

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Being a manager in modern day means you have to accept being a devious person to a certain degree. You are in the middle of managing two conflicting goals of company and the employee. Each wants to extract as much as possible from the other. Promotions for example are always based on nebulous criteria that are often made up on the fly. Yea there are career ladders and stuff but those are totally ignored for all pract…

As a first-level manager you're not in control of compensation policies but you can certainly impact promotions in many ways. I have had many managers who were honest about the lack of promotion or a bigger bonus.

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I went through half of it. I think it has promise, but not really sure I would call it a handbook. Some things are just strange to me: > A senior employee comes to you with a competitive offer in hand, asking for a promotion. You investigate the situation and decide that, since you really don’t want to lose this employee, you will cave and give them a promotion. > You have just created a strong incentive for politica…

Declining a promotion that a manager doesn’t feel is warranted does not conflict with providing a clear career path for team members.

Promoting someone to staff engineer who doesn’t meet the bar lowers the bar for a staff engineer at the company.

Promoting based on a threat to leave communicates that one path forward is negotiation through counter-offers. Maybe that’s the culture some company are after, I don’t know.

Management and leadership are distinct. There are people managers who don’t lead their teams and senior ICs who do.

Re: Manager's Handbook (2020)

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I went through half of it. I think it has promise, but not really sure I would call it a handbook. Some things are just strange to me: > A senior employee comes to you with a competitive offer in hand, asking for a promotion. You investigate the situation and decide that, since you really don’t want to lose this employee, you will cave and give them a promotion. > You have just created a strong incentive for politica…

>The pandemic has made this normal, but prior to it I think this would be challenged. I don't need to see your face to work with you. Sure let's do it often, but not 24/7.

my rules, since i started working remotely (so ~10y ago) regarding cameras are: on if the meeting has less than 10 people. on at the beginning from 10 to 20~30. after that number, off (since it doesn't matter anymore).

that means that for team and project meetings, my camera is always on. for dept meetings, it's on at the beginning because i want people to know i'm around and paying attention (usually i turn it off after the meeting starts properly). and for company wide meetings, it's off because there are so many people that it doesn't really matter if the CEO can see me or ont.

Re: Manager's Handbook (2020)

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Being a manager in modern day means you have to accept being a devious person to a certain degree. You are in the middle of managing two conflicting goals of company and the employee. Each wants to extract as much as possible from the other. Promotions for example are always based on nebulous criteria that are often made up on the fly. Yea there are career ladders and stuff but those are totally ignored for all pract…

This article explains it pretty well: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-....

Re: Manager's Handbook (2020)

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I went through half of it. I think it has promise, but not really sure I would call it a handbook. Some things are just strange to me: > A senior employee comes to you with a competitive offer in hand, asking for a promotion. You investigate the situation and decide that, since you really don’t want to lose this employee, you will cave and give them a promotion. > You have just created a strong incentive for politica…

Every time I quit it was because I wanted to quit and when asked from my employer what would have taken to change my mind I couldn't find anything realistic they could offer me to stay. But that's because in my cases compensation wasn't the main motivation for desiring to leave.

I can totally imagine a different scenario where people who are clearly underpaid must follow a different strategy. It all boils down to a) does the employer underpay the employee b) does the employer understand how much the employee feels sincerely underpaid?

Point (b) is an important nitpick because often employers and employees have radically different measures of what is "right", in particular when you throw in rules about location-based compensation.

Re: Manager's Handbook (2020)

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I went through half of it. I think it has promise, but not really sure I would call it a handbook. Some things are just strange to me: > A senior employee comes to you with a competitive offer in hand, asking for a promotion. You investigate the situation and decide that, since you really don’t want to lose this employee, you will cave and give them a promotion. > You have just created a strong incentive for politica…

When you’re an employee, it feels like your manager’s job is to keep you happy and give you what you want.

When you first get into management, you immediately realize that your job is to serve an entire team in ways that will some times not make individuals happy. You have to focus on doing what’s best for the team, not just giving the loudest team member what they demand.

> Hard disagree. People look for more responsibility / jobs all the time and when they come to you saying they want to stay and this is their condition, you better honor it and not call it "politics".

If the person is deserving of the promotion then withholding it just because is silly. But in the real world that doesn’t really happen. What manager would actively withhold something that would motivate their team? Remember, managers don’t get compensated and promoted for keeping their team members miserable and depriving them of what they want. We get compensated and promoted based on getting the job done.

The problem in these scenarios is that you can’t start trading promotions as leverage. You need to give out promotions as earned according to the criteria spelled out to the team.

If you start giving out promotions to people who seek competing job offers, you’re telling the team that the promotion path is not based on merit or performance, but rather on your ability to hold your manager over a barrel with threats of quitting.

Reward this once and you’ll start seeing much of the team threaten to quit whenever they want something. Motivation will fall as employees realize that their best option to get ahead of their peers is not to work hard, but to threaten to quit. Resentment will grow as team members learn that their peer was promoted for getting competing job offers, not for doing good work. That’s the definition of politics.

Of course, you need to have a valid promotion structure and criteria in place and you need to honor it. But no, you should not get into the habit of giving employees whatever they want in response to threats to leave.

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Being a manager in modern day means you have to accept being a devious person to a certain degree. You are in the middle of managing two conflicting goals of company and the employee. Each wants to extract as much as possible from the other. Promotions for example are always based on nebulous criteria that are often made up on the fly. Yea there are career ladders and stuff but those are totally ignored for all pract…

> Promotions for example are always based on nebulous criteria that are often made up on the fly.

I think you’ve worked at some very toxic work environments, but it’s a mistake to suggest that your experience is the norm.

It’s funny to read HN comments about how all managers are terrible, devious people who are only out to abuse employees. Most of us managers started out as ICs. Do you really think we surrender our humanity and adopt evilness as our SOP on the day they give us our manager title? No, most of us enter management because we really like working with people and like helping people succeed. This idea that we only exist to spite employees is very childish.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and ask about the management and leadership philosophy when you interview! In theory, I agree. The reality is these orgs are crap for a reason...they drink too much of their own Kool Aid, they don't realize they have blindspots, etc. The point being, good luck getting a transparent and honest answer as that's the antithesis of their philosophy.

True - this is why it's important to structure your questions in a way that makes it harder to BS - same as when interviewing someone, ask about specific instances of things. It's been a while since I've been a candidate, so I kinda winged it in the above comment, but if you want to be balsy (and why not!) you can ask something like "Can you tell me about the last time you had to give negative performance feedback?"…

Understood. It doesn't hurt to ask. I do agree. I'm just suspect of honest replies. They might not BS in the true sense. They just don't know what transparency and honesty is.

Full disclosure: I just left a marketing agency that wasn't 25% of what they said it was. I had asked questions and the answers didn't match what was actually happening. Nice people. I don't think it was intentional per se. But they were so not self-aware that they had little idea how far off they were.

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