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The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by spaniard89277 »

mariusor wrote: post #6

I wish Sailfish OS had a mention. If someone tries to escape the Android/iOS duopoly, it's probably the most mature linux based distribution out there. It's not fully open source that's true, but it can be daily driven on a number of modern(ish) compatible hardware. The most prominent of them being some of Sony's Xperia's line(official) and a slew of other older devices through the efforts of a community of enthusias…

They claim to be compatible with android apps in their site, how true is that?

For me, the problem with phones is the sense that you're just one step away of having no more OS updates, or updates making it slower, or basically getting locked-in in some way.

Phones feel very different to computers.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by ryukafalz »

mariusor wrote: post #6

I wish Sailfish OS had a mention. If someone tries to escape the Android/iOS duopoly, it's probably the most mature linux based distribution out there. It's not fully open source that's true, but it can be daily driven on a number of modern(ish) compatible hardware. The most prominent of them being some of Sony's Xperia's line(official) and a slew of other older devices through the efforts of a community of enthusias…

From a US perspective, the lack of group messaging makes it a non-starter for me, unfortunately. My friends and family just expect me to be able to receive group messages. It’s not optional these days for a lot of people.

I used to use it and enjoyed doing so, but I’d hoped Jolla would open source more of it as they said early on that they were considering.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by throwawayboise »

This is the sort of thing I would have been all over and wasted weeks on when I was younger.

Now, sorry, I just don't care anymore. I don't live my life through my phone so I buy cheap Android phones for a few hundred dollars tops, and when they die they die. If it can make and receive calls, texts, and run Google Maps navigation that is 90% of what I need.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by scarface74 »

So a 2015 iPhone 6S runs the latest version of iOS.

A 2013 iPhone 5s is still getting security updates.

A 2011 iPhone 4s doesn’t support LTE and soon won’t be able to connect to any network. Verizon is shutting down their CDMA network as is Sprint.

So how does open source make my life better?

From a hardware side, why wouldn’t I just take my phone to any number of places to get the battery replaced?

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by hrbf »

Just like the Linux desktop, alternative smartphones will forever remain a tiny niche market for highly technical people. Mainstream adoption can and will never happen given the current state of hardware design and manufacturing.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by noahtallen »

naoqj wrote: post #7

Nah, my iPhone is okay. The day it stops working or getting updated I will throw it away and buy another.

Or just trade it in — you can still do that directly with apple back to the 6s (which is 7 years old now). Used market for iPhones is pretty good too; apple products retain resale value better than others.

Ultimately, given the above, I don’t think ewaste is a big problem with iPhones. Apple either refurbishes and sells it in a market that still values older phones, or recycles it.

I also support right to repair and any legislative efforts to force apple and others to stop deliberately making phones hard to repair. But given the trade-in value and used markets, I’m not sure why anyone would toss it in the trash or keep it in a drawer!

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by nabaraz »

mikece wrote: post #2

Why LineageOS and not GrapheneOS? I have a Pixel 4a with GrapheneOS and really like it. The lack of Firebase Cloud Messaging (Google's push notifications service) isn't an issue for personal usage; for work I still use an iPhone because I don't want to put things like MS Teams on Graphene OS. As for PinePhone: it's interesting that this article puts LineageOS and PinePhone together since the latter cannot run the for…

The choice is between GrapheneOS + Sandboxed Google play vs LineageOS + MicroG.

If you care too much about privacy, GrapheneOS is the way to go. If you want a balance between privacy and usability, LineageOS is the way to go. Also, GrapheneOS only supports Pixel phones.

I have tried CalyxOS but there are too many issues.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by asojfdowgh »

nimbius wrote: post #3

tell ya what i really wanna see from pinephone: AGPS lockdown. Currently ive learned from HN there are numerous 3GPP protocols that provide direct, clandestine monitoring of the GPS location of the phone. the feature lives unchallenged in the firmware, so if you can give me a phone that cannot report its GPS data to the carrier without my knowledge, id be ever grateful.

IIRC you can flash the modem for pinephones, so it would be possible to achieve what you want in the future

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by opencl »

nimbius wrote: post #3

tell ya what i really wanna see from pinephone: AGPS lockdown. Currently ive learned from HN there are numerous 3GPP protocols that provide direct, clandestine monitoring of the GPS location of the phone. the feature lives unchallenged in the firmware, so if you can give me a phone that cannot report its GPS data to the carrier without my knowledge, id be ever grateful.

You can install your own firmware on the Pinephone modem.

https://github.com/Biktorgj/pinephone_modem_sdk

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