I like this approach a lot better than the municipal curb-side charging stations that a lot of cities are building. The former naturally scales up and down with overall demand for cars, while the latter further entrenches cars as the dominant transportation method by making it virtually impossible to convert those curb spaces to other uses.
Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
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Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#12This seems misguided to me. One of the biggest benefits to an EV is not having to go to a gas station. Most people can charge at home for their typical needs. Next, it makes sense to put then at a person's work, then at stores or public parking. And of course there needs to be charging infrastructure on highway gas stations and/or rest stops. Making all gas stations, especially urban ones, pay a fine for not having chargers is stupid.
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#13Sounds like a way to quickly create an unreliable network of shitty, dimly lit EV chargers that help sour EV adoption.
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#14Would be better to incentivize 24 hour grocery stores to provide low cost leases to fast DC charge networks. 20-30 minutes grocery shopping or dining is the new charge experience, versus five minute fill ups at your traditional petrol dispenser. Those who can will charge at home or work most of the time.
> 20-30 minutes grocery shopping or dining is the new charge experience I would say charging at work (during the day, using solar energy exported into the grid). Or at night, capturing off-peak power generation is the new charge experience. Currently, DC Fast Charging is very expensive to build out and using them frequently reduces battery capacity over time.
> I would say charging at work
I don't know the numbers offhand, but Vancouver has a pretty low rate of driving commutes compared to most North American cities.
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#15Would be better to incentivize 24 hour grocery stores to provide low cost leases to fast DC charge networks. 20-30 minutes grocery shopping or dining is the new charge experience, versus five minute fill ups at your traditional petrol dispenser. Those who can will charge at home or work most of the time.
Agreed! As someone who just completed a 2,000 mile electric road trip, it wasn't TOO inconvenient, but we had to choose our dining based on what was near the charger, and we mostly chose our lodging based on who had overnight charging available.
Shopping and meals fit really well into the (traveling) charging use case. I think a cafe would work as well, but I haven't visited a successful "charge cafe" yet.
Of course, the most convenient charging is just plugging it in overnight at home, but travel stops are real use cases, too...
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#16This kind of makes sense to me.
Gas stations are already setup as places where cars are coming and going frequently. As cars move from gas to electric, the use of these places transitions smoothly.
It's a pigouvian tax: tax the things we want less of; in this case gas stations without chargers. I always kind of like those.
Could work.
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#17This seems misguided to me. One of the biggest benefits to an EV is not having to go to a gas station. Most people can charge at home for their typical needs. Next, it makes sense to put then at a person's work, then at stores or public parking. And of course there needs to be charging infrastructure on highway gas stations and/or rest stops. Making all gas stations, especially urban ones, pay a fine for not having c…
Many people can not charge at home. Where I live (Toronto), street parking is common. It's not possible to charge on the street near your house. Condos have parking garages and unless they put a charger at each single spot, most of those people can't charge either.
Toyota has it right - there are huge issues to be solved before widespread roll out of EV is possible. The charging question is just one of them.
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#18> It also estimated $1.7 million in revenues for the city from the increased license fees. Are they going to use that money to install EV charging stations?
Its Vancouver, so no.
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#19Why should EV chargers be at gas stations?
No post body was provided.
Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging
#20Intended outcome: more EV charging stations
Actual outcome: fewer gas stations