All countries should see using foreign online services as a national security threat and ban them outright. China was right al along with the Great Firewall. They still allow GitHub as of now though.
GitHub starts suspending Russian accounts, including some individual developers
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Re: GitHub starts suspending Russian accounts, including some individual developers
#12I don't know if this is a good thing. Why would a random dev guy suffer from his/her government actions. I had for example a team of russian devs. Impossible to pay them at this point. They are all good guys and women. Now they fall back into what? And believe me. Some are getting frustrating and angry towards the west. I see many people around me crying for hard sanctions on every Russian person. I get downvoted to…
Well, by supporting their economy, you would be supporting ongoing genocide. We are at (proxy/economic) war with them. It sucks. At least they aren’t in Ukraine.
Your devs could consider fleeing Russia. It’s gotten harder in the last month, but may still be possible, depending on their financial means. Demographic trends suggest most people that could leave did over the last few decades. That option sucks too.
If they want to blame someone, they should blame Putin.
Re: GitHub starts suspending Russian accounts, including some individual developers
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
The west wants to hurt Russia's economy, Russia's economy is made up of individuals. The west's objective is to limit Russia's ability to wage war, do you have another suggestion on how to do this?
I'm an individual in "The West" and I don't want to hurt Russia's economy, or Russian individuals. It isn't my objective, and it isn't the objective of many other intelligent, moral people who both oppose collective punishment and reject warmongering whether it comes from NATO, Russia or anywhere else. If Github and other private organizations and companies want to act as proxies for the US government, NATO and the U…
>> they ought to expect to be treated as such
but they already are (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/21/russia-bans-fa...). I mean Russia is not the only country to do this, but companies are typically considered to be in cahoots with the their hosting country. Which makes sense because in order to operate within a country you have to "abide by the law" (which can and does often include sharing data).
Re: GitHub starts suspending Russian accounts, including some individual developers
#14I don't know if this is a good thing. Why would a random dev guy suffer from his/her government actions. I had for example a team of russian devs. Impossible to pay them at this point. They are all good guys and women. Now they fall back into what? And believe me. Some are getting frustrating and angry towards the west. I see many people around me crying for hard sanctions on every Russian person. I get downvoted to…
Well, by supporting their economy, you would be supporting ongoing genocide. We are at (proxy/economic) war with them. It sucks. At least they aren’t in Ukraine. Your devs could consider fleeing Russia. It’s gotten harder in the last month, but may still be possible, depending on their financial means. Demographic trends suggest most people that could leave did over the last few decades. That option sucks too. If the…
there is no proven genocide yet. calm your horses
Re: GitHub starts suspending Russian accounts, including some individual developers
#15I don't know if this is a good thing. Why would a random dev guy suffer from his/her government actions. I had for example a team of russian devs. Impossible to pay them at this point. They are all good guys and women. Now they fall back into what? And believe me. Some are getting frustrating and angry towards the west. I see many people around me crying for hard sanctions on every Russian person. I get downvoted to…
> Why would a random dev guy suffer from his/her government actions.
It's hard to keep the facts in order in these days, so just saying:
The action that dev likely suffer from is from a foreign and not his/her government.
And regardless what you and I think, those (and many of the in long past years) sanctions are violating public international law.
What would be interesting thought if there are examples in human history where sanctions have stopped a war. Most of them are done without good examples nor any scientific base it seems, but what do I know?
Re: GitHub starts suspending Russian accounts, including some individual developers
#16I don't know if this is a good thing. Why would a random dev guy suffer from his/her government actions. I had for example a team of russian devs. Impossible to pay them at this point. They are all good guys and women. Now they fall back into what? And believe me. Some are getting frustrating and angry towards the west. I see many people around me crying for hard sanctions on every Russian person. I get downvoted to…
Well, by supporting their economy, you would be supporting ongoing genocide. We are at (proxy/economic) war with them. It sucks. At least they aren’t in Ukraine. Your devs could consider fleeing Russia. It’s gotten harder in the last month, but may still be possible, depending on their financial means. Demographic trends suggest most people that could leave did over the last few decades. That option sucks too. If the…
Fleeing a country while you have a family, friends, culture and your entire life there. Isn't quite a small step to leave a country. Hardly anyone wants to move.
Re: GitHub starts suspending Russian accounts, including some individual developers
#17I don't know if this is a good thing. Why would a random dev guy suffer from his/her government actions. I had for example a team of russian devs. Impossible to pay them at this point. They are all good guys and women. Now they fall back into what? And believe me. Some are getting frustrating and angry towards the west. I see many people around me crying for hard sanctions on every Russian person. I get downvoted to…
" I don't know if this is a good thing."
It is. The whole internet shall be like this. Available only for members. Or as Bruce Lee put it in his movies "This park is forbidden for Chinese or dogs". But they shall not stop talking about democracy and freedom. As an () president put it: It feels good doing it.