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Tell HN: HN is not immune to manipulation

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Re: Tell HN: HN is not immune to manipulation

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> Moderator dang is one person He's the public voice of a team.

Ok. Even so, I think there could be some automation to at least hold submissions for review based on patterns.

Perhaps I'm lazy, but I can't imagine submitting 10+ links per day. That seems like a bit of an outlier which could be identified programmatically.

Re: Tell HN: HN is not immune to manipulation

#12
> Is there any way we can keep HN from becoming drowned in garbage?

Do as the guidelines recommend:

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

Re: Tell HN: HN is not immune to manipulation

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is. There is banning and shadowbanning, which includes mechanisms where whatever stories someone posts are "dead" on arrival. HN has robust mechanisms against spam. Re "manipulation" I'd think one person's manipulation is another person's posting interesting stories, but as was said, if someone's submissions get flagged enough, it will get attention and their posts will be killed if deemed spam. Overall I think…

The suspicion of manipulation is based on years of evidence of "troll farms" and other social media campaigns. To think that HN is immune is naive. If arguably the smartest tech group on the internet cannot devise a defense, then we're more doomed than I thought. After all, at the opposite end of the spectrum we have "AI" at Google and other companies banning users based on incomprehensible algorithms. Surely there's…

Report the bots/spammers to dang and let them deal with it IFF it goes against the guidelines (shadowban, etc).

The kind of thought policing you're proposing will never fly here.

Re: Tell HN: HN is not immune to manipulation

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> Is there any way we can keep HN from becoming drowned in garbage? Do as the guidelines recommend: > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

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Re: Tell HN: HN is not immune to manipulation

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The suspicion of manipulation is based on years of evidence of "troll farms" and other social media campaigns. To think that HN is immune is naive. If arguably the smartest tech group on the internet cannot devise a defense, then we're more doomed than I thought. After all, at the opposite end of the spectrum we have "AI" at Google and other companies banning users based on incomprehensible algorithms. Surely there's…

Report the bots/spammers to dang and let them deal with it IFF it goes against the guidelines (shadowban, etc). The kind of thought policing you're proposing will never fly here.

Did you bother to look at the poster's submissions? It's not "thought policing". It is intent-awareness.
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