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Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Re: Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Post by qbasic_forever »

xjia wrote: post #7

Does the compiler run on my workstation or in the cloud? I read through the docs but didn't find anything about this.

In the kind of setup you'd use with mutagen your dev tools and compilers are typically inside the container, while your code and editor are outside the container and being synced inside the container on every change. If the container is running on another machine/cloud service then yeah it could be that your compiler is running outside your machine. But much more likely it's still running as a container on your machine. The typical use case for this is making your dev environment accessible to anyone, just send them a dockerfile and they can almost perfectly reproduce it and get going with building your software (vs. having to laboriously setup the exact version of each dev tool and compiler you use).

Re: Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Post by gr8tnwz »

I’m sure this feels like an accomplishment but in practice it provides nothing over git/source control as usual, and any number of reliable open or free hosted file sharing options.

What specifically is missing in the current ecosystem of electron state moving technologies that this solves? Why this instead of git and a Wireguard based mesh of devices (to offer my current setup as an example; there are others).

Re: Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Post by karlshea »

I've been testing Mutagen's file sync through DDEV on a Drupal project and it's pretty nice!

The project is way more snappy than using NFS mounts on the Mac (which was already WAY faster than bind mounts), and DDEV has file ignores set up correctly so the project's media files aren't synced and disk usage isn't doubled.

Re: Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Post by xenoscopic »

slightwinder wrote: post #9
xenoscopic wrote: post #5

Author of Mutagen here, happy to answer any questions you might have, whether it's about its use with Docker, SSH, its historical integration into Docker Desktop, or its related Mutagen Compose[0][1] project. [0]: https://github.com/mutagen-io/mutagen-compose [1]: https://mutagen.io/documentation/orchestration/compose

How robust is the handling? Can it tolerate unreliable network? Lost connections and hiccups?

It can tolerate disconnection very reliably, and it will automatically reconnect to synchronization and forwarding endpoints as soon as possible.

Its synchronization algorithm in particular (which is essentially a (repeated) three-way merge with rsync-style differential file transfers) is designed for safety and robust tracking of the changes that it has propagated. It's also capable of resuming file transfers once it reconnects.

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Post by pineconewarrior »

gr8tnwz wrote: post #12

I’m sure this feels like an accomplishment but in practice it provides nothing over git/source control as usual, and any number of reliable open or free hosted file sharing options. What specifically is missing in the current ecosystem of electron state moving technologies that this solves? Why this instead of git and a Wireguard based mesh of devices (to offer my current setup as an example; there are others).

Speed. This works so fast that it improves the efficiency of local development with containers.

Re: Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Post by pineconewarrior »

karlshea wrote: post #13

I've been testing Mutagen's file sync through DDEV on a Drupal project and it's pretty nice! The project is way more snappy than using NFS mounts on the Mac (which was already WAY faster than bind mounts), and DDEV has file ignores set up correctly so the project's media files aren't synced and disk usage isn't doubled.

Same! Mutagen + DDEV have been a godsend for me

Re: Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Post by xenoscopic »

gr8tnwz wrote: post #12

I’m sure this feels like an accomplishment but in practice it provides nothing over git/source control as usual, and any number of reliable open or free hosted file sharing options. What specifically is missing in the current ecosystem of electron state moving technologies that this solves? Why this instead of git and a Wireguard based mesh of devices (to offer my current setup as an example; there are others).

The goal with Mutagen is real-time remote development, not source control or complex networking. It's designed to facilitate making changes to code locally and then having those immediately propagated to a remote system for compilation, execution, etc. Basically, it's designed for the work you do between Git commits, saving you the need to do a full commit, push, pull, evaluate cycle to test your code on a remote system.

Basically, it's like VS Code's remote development extensions, but editor-agnostic and more flexible.

Re: Mutagen – Cloud-based development using your local tools

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Post by xenoscopic »

karlshea wrote: post #13

I've been testing Mutagen's file sync through DDEV on a Drupal project and it's pretty nice! The project is way more snappy than using NFS mounts on the Mac (which was already WAY faster than bind mounts), and DDEV has file ignores set up correctly so the project's media files aren't synced and disk usage isn't doubled.

Yeah, Randy's done a great job with the integration - it seems to work seamlessly for most users as far as I can tell. I'm really excited to get Mutagen v0.14 and beyond into DDEV, because support for fanotify[0] is being added and it's going to make Mutagen's Linux filesystem watching unbelievably faster for container-based development.

[0]: https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/fanotify.7.html

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