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Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by smackfu » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 2:37 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #3

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #2

Up 66% percent, roughly the same rate that the entire market is growing. It's almost uncanny how the iPhone manages to maintain its near-constant share of this rapidly growing market. A visual chart of this phenomenon: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2011/...

What's more amazing is that Apple does this with one phone. Whereas Android and BlackBerry are split across many, many devices and/or manufacturers.

Well, now you have 3 distinct models out there, with significantly different hardware, so it's not really one phone.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by tolmasky » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 2:39 PM UTC

corin_ wrote: post #6

antr wrote: post #5

Good for Apple. I'm happy that internet 'gurus' and Wall St are proven wrong again when saying that the 4S was a disappointing product...

They haven't necessarily been proven wrong. Firstly, disappointing is subjective, not objective, so the people who were disappointed might not be the ones ordering it, and neither of those choices is right or wrong. But more importantly, when the Blackberry 9000 was released I was disappointed with it, I'd hoped for more. I still got my pre-order in, because I wanted to upgrade and it was better than the phone I had…

I think this is a stretch. This is the absolute best product launch in the history of Apple in terms of pre-order. We still have all the people that are actually going to go in and buy the thing on Friday in real life! Not to mention it has been more than 24 hours so who knows how big the total number of pre-orders is.

So you got a Blackberry 9000 despite it not being everything you wanted? But did you get it in the first 24 hours? Did you do it first thing in the morning as many people must have since at least 200,000 were sold in the first 12 hours by ATT? These are not the actions of disappointed people.

And sure, I guess technically no matter how well it performs the product could still be "disappointing" under some definition, but then the word starts to lack meaning.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by quellhorst » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 2:59 PM UTC

smackfu wrote: post #11

jgrahamc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more amazing is that Apple does this with one phone. Whereas Android and BlackBerry are split across many, many devices and/or manufacturers.

Well, now you have 3 distinct models out there, with significantly different hardware, so it's not really one phone.

Sure it is, its the same phone, but different model years.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by dr_ » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 3:07 PM UTC

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone.

When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actually suggesting someone would be better off with a Android, Blackberry or Windows 7 phone? It's a plain and simple fact that people refuse to accept - people purchase Android because it's available on many different carriers and comes in many different price points. People choose blackberry cause sometimes their work requires it or they want blackberry messenger. And no one chooses Windows phones. With the iPhone now available on more carriers at different price points, the game will continue to change.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by thatjoshguy » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 3:07 PM UTC

tolmasky wrote: post #12

corin_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't necessarily been proven wrong. Firstly, disappointing is subjective, not objective, so the people who were disappointed might not be the ones ordering it, and neither of those choices is right or wrong. But more importantly, when the Blackberry 9000 was released I was disappointed with it, I'd hoped for more. I still got my pre-order in, because I wanted to upgrade and it was better than the phone I had…

I think this is a stretch. This is the absolute best product launch in the history of Apple in terms of pre-order. We still have all the people that are actually going to go in and buy the thing on Friday in real life! Not to mention it has been more than 24 hours so who knows how big the total number of pre-orders is. So you got a Blackberry 9000 despite it not being everything you wanted? But did you get it in the…

It's 'disappointing' in the sense that, although it is more powerful and arguably better than the previous generation, people were wanting more substantial improvements.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by maximilian » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 3:08 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #9

jgrahamc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more amazing is that Apple does this with one phone. Whereas Android and BlackBerry are split across many, many devices and/or manufacturers.

I'm not sure if this is pedantic in context but actually Apple have been selling 3 or 4 phones for the last year. (The 3G was still available in some markets after the 4 was introduced just as the 3GS remains now in the US. Whether you count the Verizon iPhone seperately is debatable, but Samsung's American network exclusives seem to be counted that way, even if they share 99% of their make-up, though Apple has unifi…

I'm thinking about picking up the 3GS here in Switzerland with a pretty cheap subscription plan, which is essentially a subsidized pay-as-you-go plan. (with a $20 subsidy over 2 years). So there definitely is a market for the older 3GS.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by corin_ » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 3:11 PM UTC

tolmasky wrote: post #12

corin_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't necessarily been proven wrong. Firstly, disappointing is subjective, not objective, so the people who were disappointed might not be the ones ordering it, and neither of those choices is right or wrong. But more importantly, when the Blackberry 9000 was released I was disappointed with it, I'd hoped for more. I still got my pre-order in, because I wanted to upgrade and it was better than the phone I had…

I think this is a stretch. This is the absolute best product launch in the history of Apple in terms of pre-order. We still have all the people that are actually going to go in and buy the thing on Friday in real life! Not to mention it has been more than 24 hours so who knows how big the total number of pre-orders is. So you got a Blackberry 9000 despite it not being everything you wanted? But did you get it in the…

Disappointing just means it didn't meet expectations - there's plenty of scope for something to fall below expectations yet above the level which makes you want it badly.

Yes, with the Bold 9000 I pre-ordered the instant it was available.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by Anechoic » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 3:13 PM UTC

juliano_q wrote: post #8

antr wrote: post #5

Good for Apple. I'm happy that internet 'gurus' and Wall St are proven wrong again when saying that the 4S was a disappointing product...

I think we can't judge if this product is disappointing or not by the sales number. I am not saying that the 4S is not a good phone, but the sales are obviously heavily influenced by the Steve Jobs death. Many of my friends who weren't considering a new phone are now going to buy it because it is the last iPhone launched with Jobs alive.

> the sales are obviously heavily influenced by the Steve Jobs death

It's not obvious to me at all. Aside from your friends experience, what are you basing this on?

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by tybris » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 3:14 PM UTC

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

Best is a term that suggests there is no subjectivity to preference.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by Cushman » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 3:16 PM UTC

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

There was a time, not too long ago, when Apple stuff was legitimately a worse deal than the equivalent brown-box product. It got ingrained into our cultural consciousness: Macs are overpriced, they underperform. They claim to put design first, but they still break. Not worth it unless you really like the OS.

That hasn't been true for a while, of course; Apple has made all the deals they needed to be competitive or untouchable on price and performance, and their revolutionary design philosophy has outgrown puberty and started changing the world.

But, of course, the mythos continues.