Finally, native compilation is part of the release. In day to day use, it provides a nice speed bust in many use cases.
Just waiting for my distro to update Emacs.
What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
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Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#12It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…
How do I go about learning emacs when my job requires me to work in a M$ environment, and I have limited free time? I tried learning and felt overwhelmed, and I would like to make strides to make vim or emacs my primary editors for home use, but Visual Studio / Jetbrains just make development incredibly easier to not let the tools prevent me from just writing the code.
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#13The native compilation part is the highlight. Could someone who knows about these things explain the difficulty Debian has in getting emacs 28 in -unstable ? (currently on 27 according to https://packages.debian.org/unstable/emacs)
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#14It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…
You miss the point. I want to click 3 buttons and have a usable IDE. Nothing will ever replace visual studio's debugging GUI.
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#15It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…
I'm going to assume this isn't trolling and if it is, you fooled me.
I've use Vim professionally, as well as VSCode and Jetbrains IDEs and dabbled in Emacs - the idea that one can replicate what IntelliJ does for Java for instance in any other IDE or text editor is to me, nonsensical. The amount of configuration it would require in vim/neovim/vscode to replicate the refactoring ability of IntelliJ alone would take you longer to setup than it would to code whatever project you're working on.
Saying that Vim or Emacs have "zero fiddling" compared to Jetbrains IDEs is a statement that is so vastly different to my experience (doing plenty of fiddling in both) that I would love to hear the backstory of how IDEs hurt you.
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#16It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…
> It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains
JetBrains Intellij Idea Community Edition is open source
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#17I was an Emacs user back in my software writing days, but I thought I had left it behind when I became a lawyer. Over the past month or two however I’ve moved more and more of my workflow over to Emacs.
I started with using Org Mode and PDF tools for note taking and reviewing PDFs and task management: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30492373. More recently I switched my email over to mu4e: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/mu4e. Unfortunately I can’t get it to interface properly with Office 365, which has heavily locked down POP/SMTP. So I used a couple of Power Automate flows to store incoming emails into a maildir format directory in OneDrive, which I then read from mu4e: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir. I also use Power Automate flows to grab my calendar and store it to Org files, and watch for queued emails and send send them. Power Automate is just about the worst programming environment ever devised, but because UNIX systems like RFC 2822 (email) and maildir are so simple it didn’t take much fiddling at all!
Ironically, writing a bit of glue to get everything into Emacs offers better integration between email, calendar, todos, and notes, than just using Office 365’s own tools. After trying a ton of web/electron based tools for these purposes, going back to Emacs makes me think of this scene from Star Wars: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7hb8AYnRb-4
I’m using the Emacs 28.1 test release on Windows and the Emacs-Mac Port on Mac: https://bitbucket.org/mituharu/emacs-mac/src/master/. The latter has nice features like double buffering that make Emacs, while not modern feeling, quite presentable.
For such a huge change, the elisp native compilation works extremely nicely with every package I’ve thrown at it. Totally stable and ready for prime time.
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#18It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…
> It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains JetBrains Intellij Idea Community Edition is open source
Jetbrains products are only partially open source, which makes them non-free and still spyware due to telemetry we can’t see.
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#19It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…
"you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling" - that is 100% not a thing that has ever happened to me whenever I go and look at emacs/vim!
Modal editing is not really something that is needed anymore, and a lot of people don't have time to learn a new language just to move about in their IDE - just click the mouse button ...
Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?
#20It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…
I'm not saying that yours is necessarily the case, of course I don't know, but I feel like lots of people that hold opinions like yours greatly underestimate the amount of functionality that comes with something like a Jetbrains IDE.
It's not even about the editor itself, nor the graphical or UX stuff. It's the crazy level of introspection and of understanding your code those IDEs bring. My daily experience is just insanely better than with anything else I've tried.
In something pretty weakly typed like PHP you can happily rename methods and classes, refactor and extract code, move around namespaces, and the IDE keeps track of everything for you. You also get very smart autocomplete, snippets, integrated debugger with REPL, the whole thing.
I've played around with all sorts of vim and emacs distributions and settings and nothing ever came close.
Maybe it's just I don't have the time to set it up propert ly. But if that's the case, it's still a point in my favor here.