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Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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Is this satire or something? Since when is being a snitch a bad thing? Isn't that what people complain about with cops, that they don't report each other? So now what, we want the same thing with academia? That they can do whatever they want, secure in the knowledge no one will report them? And isn't "craven snitch" an oxymoron? To be a snitch you need at least a bit of bravery, even if you are being anonymous, since…

It's a bad thing in this world where we've created so much bureaucracy, so many rules and so much enforcement discretion spread across so many levels that everyone is always doing something against the rules or could be considered to be at someone's discretion and processes of sorting these things out "fairly" is so onerous as to be something that can be used as a weapon (either by a snitch or by various parties in the enforcement processes) by itself.

Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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If you are the President of a university (or a company) that has an explicit official policy prohibiting romantic relationships between superiors and subordinates, and you have a semi-secret romantic relationship with a subordinate that many people know about, then someone in the know who is upset with one of your management decisions retaliates by telling the truth to HR, then I have zero sympathy for you. Are they…

"Rules are meant to be broken" is a great maxim in my opinion. It's the expression of truly democratic attitude towards rules. Something that's "technically wrong" but taken by the majority as not an ethical issue deserves to live because it questions the legitimacy of the rule. How any progress happens.

Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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post #3

Is this satire or something? Since when is being a snitch a bad thing? Isn't that what people complain about with cops, that they don't report each other? So now what, we want the same thing with academia? That they can do whatever they want, secure in the knowledge no one will report them? And isn't "craven snitch" an oxymoron? To be a snitch you need at least a bit of bravery, even if you are being anonymous, since…

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Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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> for either minor or nonexistent offenses

On the one hand, society institutes these rules and we supposedly claim to be rule following people.

On the other hand, people who try to have the rules enforced are labelled as "snitches."

Your answer to why tragedies occur but even when people knew, nobody did anything.

Do the rules matter or not?

Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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post #3

Is this satire or something? Since when is being a snitch a bad thing? Isn't that what people complain about with cops, that they don't report each other? So now what, we want the same thing with academia? That they can do whatever they want, secure in the knowledge no one will report them? And isn't "craven snitch" an oxymoron? To be a snitch you need at least a bit of bravery, even if you are being anonymous, since…

Read the article. This isn't about breaking the law, it is about filing frivolous complaints about expressing opinions you disagree with or reporting people for things which aren't even against the rules. General harassment.

Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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> for either minor or nonexistent offenses On the one hand, society institutes these rules and we supposedly claim to be rule following people. On the other hand, people who try to have the rules enforced are labelled as "snitches." Your answer to why tragedies occur but even when people knew, nobody did anything. Do the rules matter or not?

If the rules are regularly applied to persecute people over nonexistent offenses, they will very soon cease to matter.

Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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> for either minor or nonexistent offenses On the one hand, society institutes these rules and we supposedly claim to be rule following people. On the other hand, people who try to have the rules enforced are labelled as "snitches." Your answer to why tragedies occur but even when people knew, nobody did anything. Do the rules matter or not?

Right...if the institutions are over-zealous, then they are at fault. But to complain that someone pointed out to the authorities that they think someone was breaking the rules is a bit silly. I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who uses the word "snitch". I suspect OP is just a little bit salty because of their Title IX complaints and that their partner got reported for making a classless racial joke about children.

Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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post #12

If you are the President of a university (or a company) that has an explicit official policy prohibiting romantic relationships between superiors and subordinates, and you have a semi-secret romantic relationship with a subordinate that many people know about, then someone in the know who is upset with one of your management decisions retaliates by telling the truth to HR, then I have zero sympathy for you. Are they…

"Rules are meant to be broken" is a great maxim in my opinion. It's the expression of truly democratic attitude towards rules. Something that's "technically wrong" but taken by the majority as not an ethical issue deserves to live because it questions the legitimacy of the rule. How any progress happens.

The same argument could be made against laws, including plenty of laws that both you and I, and plenty of others, agree should never be broken.

So I'm not very persuaded by this argument.

Re: Academe is a hotbed of craven snitches

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Is this satire or something? Since when is being a snitch a bad thing? Isn't that what people complain about with cops, that they don't report each other? So now what, we want the same thing with academia? That they can do whatever they want, secure in the knowledge no one will report them? And isn't "craven snitch" an oxymoron? To be a snitch you need at least a bit of bravery, even if you are being anonymous, since…

It's complicated. Obviously nobody likes a tattle-tale in childhood, even the teachers/authorities are annoyed. Part of participating in a healthy society is building strong connections and a surprising amount of that occurs surrounding shared shenanigans, keeping little secrets, not betraying your friends.

I'm not sure where to draw the line, perhaps it's never really clear.

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