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Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by JasonFruit »

k__ wrote: post #6
tedajax wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just conveniently ignoring the content of these sites/services that gets them banned in the first place...

I don't understand this. There are well-known arguments for not tolerating intolerant people. Do those who advocate for tolerating intolerant people act in good faith, or are they simply part of them?

Would you want a corporation or government to decide for you which of your neighbors you shouldn't tolerate, without letting you get to know them, or would you like to make an informed decision yourself?

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by seneca »

k__ wrote: post #6
tedajax wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just conveniently ignoring the content of these sites/services that gets them banned in the first place...

I don't understand this. There are well-known arguments for not tolerating intolerant people. Do those who advocate for tolerating intolerant people act in good faith, or are they simply part of them?

Arguments aren't axioms. Karl Popper is not some inherent authority.

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #5
h2odragon wrote: post #2

First 8chan, then Parler. Tomorrow it might be you. At some point the service providers have to be able to stand on a utility status and provide equal access to all comers.

Yep, but censors (on both sides) cheer for this, because it's not them... yet.. atleast not on 'that' platform.

Sadly, even on HN we have people arguing for that. You are labeled 'absolutist' if you argue against censorship. It is fascinating really.

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by snowwrestler »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #8
tedajax wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just conveniently ignoring the content of these sites/services that gets them banned in the first place...

If it's illegal, the governments should take care to punish the reponsible ones via the court system. If it's legal, the service provides should have no say. This is like christan toll-bridge operator not allowing people to pass the bridge, if they drove in from the direction of a brothel.

> the service provides should have no say

Who’s the censor in this conversation again?

I’m having a hard time squaring the idea of free speech maximalism with “a certain group of people should have no say.”

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by rayiner »

At least we have an Internet. Imagine the bad old days of the 1980s when everyone had to get their news from CNN! For all the bellyaching conservatives do the fact is that information is freer today than it was in the past. Ultimately we all found out about Hunter Biden’s laptop notwithstanding the Facebook and Twitter blackout. (And when it turned out to be real, I’m sure the Facebook and Twitter censors felt shame, at least the ones who are capable of feeling shame.) That wouldn’t have been true 30 years ago.

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

k__ wrote: post #6
tedajax wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just conveniently ignoring the content of these sites/services that gets them banned in the first place...

I don't understand this. There are well-known arguments for not tolerating intolerant people. Do those who advocate for tolerating intolerant people act in good faith, or are they simply part of them?

And this in turn makes you intolerant, and I won't tolerate this.

Free speech is important and should be protected, even if k__ disagrees with what you said.

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by riidom »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #8
tedajax wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just conveniently ignoring the content of these sites/services that gets them banned in the first place...

If it's illegal, the governments should take care to punish the reponsible ones via the court system. If it's legal, the service provides should have no say. This is like christan toll-bridge operator not allowing people to pass the bridge, if they drove in from the direction of a brothel.

That's an oddly specific example, did this happen somewhere?

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #8
tedajax wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just conveniently ignoring the content of these sites/services that gets them banned in the first place...

If it's illegal, the governments should take care to punish the reponsible ones via the court system. If it's legal, the service provides should have no say. This is like christan toll-bridge operator not allowing people to pass the bridge, if they drove in from the direction of a brothel.

> If it's illegal, the governments should take care to punish the reponsible ones via the court system

if it's abusive of the people patience and potentially dangerous, the government can and should shut it down.

it's not illegal to carry arms in most of the US, but in some places they can ban you if you carry one, because they don't want to deal with you or be responsible for what you could do with it.

it's not illegal to drink in many parts of the Globe, but some people could not want you to drink in the children's playground at 9 in the morning and if you don't leave on your own they might call the police.

society has rules other than legal/illegal.

it's the perk of living in what's called "a free country".

Re: America's internet is splitting along party lines

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Post by throwmeariver1 »

h2odragon wrote: post #2

First 8chan, then Parler. Tomorrow it might be you. At some point the service providers have to be able to stand on a utility status and provide equal access to all comers.

Ok just stop with the one sided arguing gab, parler and all the "freedom of speech" titled social networks are worse in censoring than your primetime twitter or Facebook they at least pretend to be neutral.
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