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Auto dealer Napleton fined $10M for illegal fees and discrimination

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Re: Auto dealer Napleton fined $10M for illegal fees and discrimination

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Post by ourmandave »

rkuester wrote: post #9

These guys screwed me over in exactly this way when I bought a car from them three years ago. I raised hell when the deal I was asked to sign was for ~$2k more than we negotiated, but they wouldn’t budge. I should have walked away, but it’s hard when they spring it on you at the last second after you’ve spent hours getting to that point. Before I left their lot, I pulled the license plate frames with their name off t…

The $10M fine is going directly to their victims. Maybe you can get part of it.

Re: Auto dealer Napleton fined $10M for illegal fees and discrimination

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Post by ccleve »

ghastmaster wrote: post #10
ccleve wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fraud is criminal. They should have filed criminal charges.

My original comment was misinformed. I did not realize the full scope of civil law. According to 815 ILCS 505 there are only three defined instances that warrant a felony charge and this is only if there is a previous conviction(misdemeanor). I'll leave it to you to show me where in the U.S.C. there is an opportunity to charge them with a felony.

18 USC 1001, plus others. Mail fraud would be one vehicle. Also conspiracy.

Re: Auto dealer Napleton fined $10M for illegal fees and discrimination

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Post by rootusrootus »

noasaservice wrote: post #11
notimetorelax wrote: post #3

I wonder how this is not a felony charge?

It's about rich people and C levels. Those people are nearly immune from criminal wrongdoings.

As long as they're screwing over regular folks. Mess with other rich people and all bets are off. E.g. Elizabeth Holmes.

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Post by rootusrootus »

kcb wrote: post #15
longtimelistnr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it’s not, and I’d actively encourage not buying a Tesla

Then continue the fever dream nightmare that is the car dealership.

Walk into a dealer and say "I will pay that price on the window, but on the condition you won't even try to upsell me in F&I." Aside from a minority of shady dealers, most regular car dealers will smile sweetly and tell you where to sign and who to make out the check to.

Tesla just formalizes this by forbidding negotiation. Some people like that. But historically people like to negotiate on big purchases. It's a game, how close to invoice can you get, etc. Can't really have it both ways.

And frankly, most people like to pick from inventory, too, and have options. Tesla doesn't carry inventory nor do they really have much in the way of options. They're catering to a niche. People who are okay with a limited selection and are willing to wait.

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Post by shiftpgdn »

rootusrootus wrote: post #18
kcb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then continue the fever dream nightmare that is the car dealership.

Walk into a dealer and say "I will pay that price on the window, but on the condition you won't even try to upsell me in F&I." Aside from a minority of shady dealers, most regular car dealers will smile sweetly and tell you where to sign and who to make out the check to. Tesla just formalizes this by forbidding negotiation. Some people like that. But historically people like to negotiate on big purchases. It's a game…

That is such a naive take. If you promise to pay MSRP they’re going to do everything possible to take you as a mark. No honor amongst thieves.

Buy a Tesla.

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