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Hidden Italy: The Forbidden Cyclopean Ruins (2013)

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Re: Hidden Italy: The Forbidden Cyclopean Ruins (2013)

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People who grew up in a world where precision craftsmanship requires high tech machines assume anything "ancient" that they can't comprehend could be made without such high tech must therefore have come from aliens/giants/Atlantians/etc.

Anyone who lived in or visited a third world country and watched people produce works of astounding precision and perfect finish with their bare hands will understand that in the 1st world we are just not very capable with our hands since the industrial revolution.

We do not learn how to make physical stuff any more as part of our curriculum growing up. And everything we use daily is produced by machines.

But the conclusion that thusly anything that you can't imagine creating with your two hands couldn't have been created by someone else's is a fallacy.

I really like e.g. this youtube channel[1] since the creator uses mostly techniques that where available since hundreds of years and you see the results looking often like they came out of a CNC.

Stones that fit together perfectly, so that no even a knife's blade fits in-between them, do not require modern tech to make.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWfatOJHl8

Re: Hidden Italy: The Forbidden Cyclopean Ruins (2013)

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This is pure crackpot drivel. Cyclopean ruins were covered in my high-school Art History textbook, there's certainly no cover-up. The lack of discussion is simply because we know nothing about the culture that created them - yet there are countless historical cultures we know even less about, because they didn't leave any impressive stone buildings behind.

Is it known that those ruins are pre-Etruscan? To what period are they dated?

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People who grew up in a world where precision craftsmanship requires high tech machines assume anything "ancient" that they can't comprehend could be made without such high tech must therefore have come from aliens/giants/Atlantians/etc. Anyone who lived in or visited a third world country and watched people produce works of astounding precision and perfect finish with their bare hands will understand that in the 1st…

Iron age Greeks used the word cyclopean also to refer to the ruins of Mycenae nearby, dating from the bronze age only ~500 years before their time. It is comforting for me to know it was already a thing back then to resort to ancient aliens to explain stuff like this. They were coming up with these explanations far before any kind of modern curriculum or industrialization, and when their ability to make physical objects was still very much there, but somehow the technology and thinking had shifted. Ironically it appears it was their own partially forgotten ancestors who built those ruins, as the decoded script (Linear-B) from the previous era appears to still a Greek language.

Re: Hidden Italy: The Forbidden Cyclopean Ruins (2013)

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At first I read the article straight, then became suspicious it was wrong on some points, then kept in mind some fallacies so I could discuss them here, then as they mounted, I gave up and just let myself be entertained.

This sentence, for instance:

> "Today’s archaeologists and anthropologists don’t express nearly as much interest as you would think in these 18th, 19th and even 20th century descriptions of giant skeletal finds, in part because there is no evidence left to examine. Amazingly, all evidence of these giant bones somehow disappeared..."

Hysterical!

How fun! There are people who genuinely believe Atlantean giants actually existed and wandered around looking inward with a third eye!

Re: Hidden Italy: The Forbidden Cyclopean Ruins (2013)

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If you want to see some really impressive and wild, even stunning Cyclopean ruins check out Sacsayhuamán:

> The complex was built by the Inca in the 15th century, particularly under Pachacuti and successors.[6] They built dry stone walls constructed of huge stones. The workers carefully cut the boulders to fit them together tightly without mortar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacsayhuam%C3%A1n

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For my money, the mystery of how huge monoliths were manipulated and moved around was solved by Wally Wallington, who has used the methods he discovered to build "a concrete Stonehenge-like structure using only materials and techniques that do not rely on any modern machine-powered technology."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Wallington

Wonderfully, just as the legends say, the stones walk... :D

Re: Hidden Italy: The Forbidden Cyclopean Ruins (2013)

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People who grew up in a world where precision craftsmanship requires high tech machines assume anything "ancient" that they can't comprehend could be made without such high tech must therefore have come from aliens/giants/Atlantians/etc. Anyone who lived in or visited a third world country and watched people produce works of astounding precision and perfect finish with their bare hands will understand that in the 1st…

> Anyone who lived in or visited a third world country and watched people produce works of astounding precision and perfect finish with their bare hands will understand that in the 1st world we are just not very capable with our hands since the industrial revolution.

This is too true. I realised this in the last few years after getting into wood carving and deciding to learn how to sharpen a blade properly. You don't need some fancy contraption or machine to put a good edge on a knife or other cutting tool, using just my hands and eyes with a few small stones I can put a consistent razor edge on just about anything. It's shocking to me how common it is for people to have dull or completely blunt chefs knives in their kitchen, freehand sharpening is a basic skill that I think 90% have the dexterity and capability to learn, but proper hand skills just aren't a priority anymore.

A lot of still quite relevant traditional building methods are being overlooked or forgotten too, a relative who does slate roofing and various other work for housing in the UK often expresses dismay at the state of building education and common practices.

I have a hope that eventually hand skills for maniplation of objects in 3D space might once again become something of a priority, with some kind of future haptic technology. See Bret Victor's excellent Humane Representation of Thought talk - http://worrydream.com/cdg/ResearchAgenda-v0.19-poster.pdf He doesn't know exactly how such technology could be made exactly, just that it probably will one day and we should think about designing software and interfaces to build towards that.

Re: Hidden Italy: The Forbidden Cyclopean Ruins (2013)

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post #7

This is pure crackpot drivel. Cyclopean ruins were covered in my high-school Art History textbook, there's certainly no cover-up. The lack of discussion is simply because we know nothing about the culture that created them - yet there are countless historical cultures we know even less about, because they didn't leave any impressive stone buildings behind.

Some pretty wild conclusions come up, but much of the base material is compelling. Extremely ancient megalithic stone constructions can be found world wide. While it is certainly not the case that "scholars are silent" as asserted here, there is still no particularly well accepted explanation. And it could be coincidence that some of the earliest societies built with large blocks with minimal ornament. It is unfortun…

> the idea that some extremely old human societies built monuments in this way is not actually all that radical

Since the stones are still there for anyone to walk up and touch, it's pretty much incontrovertible. Go to Mallorca and you can find megalithic towns that date from thousands of years before Rome, which had to have come from a culture with some degree of technology because they were able to sail there and colonize it in the first place.

That said, you don't need giants to explain it. In Tarragona the foundations of the fortress wall are made of tight fitting stone blocks the size of a car that were quarried and moved hundreds of feet up the hill by regular Homo Sapiens Romans.

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