Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
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Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#12What caught my eye was the new spec includes side channels for the PSU to communicate with add in hardware. Specifically to report the PSUs capabilities. This looks like a red flag to me. This could be used as a way to vendor lock certain features of hardware to certain brands or capacities of PSU. Get ready for DRM that checks your system all the way down to the PSU level. I prefer a dumb PSU that just gives up the…
Uhh the red flags were there in 1997 when you all started buying client-server software. Intel and the industry know you are idiots at computers. MMO's/steam are signs of idiocracy, aka you are bad at understanding you are getting robbed. That's why we have TPM and client-server crapware in windows 10/11. If you buy any client-server SaaS you are a moron, everyone was expecting local applications forever until 1997.…
However, while I agree that SaaS is a really dangerous trend that Steam definitely contributed to, I can't agree 100%. Specifically, out of all the SaaS products out there Steam is probably one of the best. And I run most games on Linux with Proton and all my games have local binaries. I have even replaced them with no ill effects. Steam has the capability to hash the file but under normal situations it just calls the exe by name. And it's offline mode is pretty legit also (although it's up each games to respect that setting for their own analytics).
EA is completely untrustworthy. I will not use Origin.
As far as Windows goes; as a professional domain administrator my opinion is this; it is literally the only realistic way to apply users, groups, and policies to a domain. It is impossible to run a successful medium-large scale non-tech company without a Windows environment simply because it is a ubiquitous and easy to maintain system. At home I am a strictly Linux neckbeard like the rest of you, but when it's time to make money at the office you need a Windows environment. That doesn't mean you need to setup Azure AD and offload all your infrastructure. You can do it all on premises and even use your own KMS activation servers if you really want to. But honestly windows is a good product that is worth the price if you're trying to make money with non-technical people.
Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#13Cool, but where is the actual spec? Can't seem to find it...
https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/336521
Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#14What caught my eye was the new spec includes side channels for the PSU to communicate with add in hardware. Specifically to report the PSUs capabilities. This looks like a red flag to me. This could be used as a way to vendor lock certain features of hardware to certain brands or capacities of PSU. Get ready for DRM that checks your system all the way down to the PSU level. I prefer a dumb PSU that just gives up the…
It could be used to vendor lock, but more likely it will just check available power and throttle or shut down as needed. A big improvement vs silent unreliability for DIYers who might use the wrong parts, and a nice convenience if it can run using less power by disabling high power stuff dynamically.
Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#15What caught my eye was the new spec includes side channels for the PSU to communicate with add in hardware. Specifically to report the PSUs capabilities. This looks like a red flag to me. This could be used as a way to vendor lock certain features of hardware to certain brands or capacities of PSU. Get ready for DRM that checks your system all the way down to the PSU level. I prefer a dumb PSU that just gives up the…
I have zero interest in hardware that isn't by the book and within spec. Most consumers and all IT pros don't either. It could be used to vendor lock, but more likely it will just check available power and throttle or shut down as needed. A big improvement vs silent unreliability for DIYers who might use the wrong parts, and a nice convenience if it can run using less power by disabling high power stuff dynamically.
It's a naturally self balancing system. Additionally, computer power supplies aren't made to be "reliable". In fact, they are made much like hard drives; so cost effective that it makes more sense to achieve reliability with quantity and redundancy rather than quality.
That's why servers have multiple PSUs in parallel. So you don't have to rely on them.
Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#165v everywhere, job done.
Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have zero interest in hardware that isn't by the book and within spec. Most consumers and all IT pros don't either. It could be used to vendor lock, but more likely it will just check available power and throttle or shut down as needed. A big improvement vs silent unreliability for DIYers who might use the wrong parts, and a nice convenience if it can run using less power by disabling high power stuff dynamically.
All of this can be done client side though. A PSU delivers current until it can't, and doesn't deliver current when there isn't a load. Ohms law, I=V/R It's a naturally self balancing system. Additionally, computer power supplies aren't made to be "reliable". In fact, they are made much like hard drives; so cost effective that it makes more sense to achieve reliability with quantity and redundancy rather than quality…
Computers are not subject to ohm's law, they are not resistive loads, and thankfully power supplies are not just voltage sources.
What actually happens is that when something tries to draw more power than the supply, it limits power by reducing voltage or just shutting off, or it breaks if you somehow found a craptastic supply with no protection.
Randomly shutting off is not ideal, and a brownout could be even worse. instead, the supply could actively tell the computer things like "Don't try to run full GPU power, I only have 300 watts to give" or "The switching reg chip is at 70C, throttle to avoid a sudden shutdown".
Maybe the supply could even count 60Hz cycles to keep the host clock synced in the absence of NTP(At least as long as the grid stays accurate).
And the user could be aware of all this. Power supplies are a common failure mode and really everything, even usb phone chargers, could probably benefit.
No reason to still make so many dumb devices when costs are so low.
Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uhh the red flags were there in 1997 when you all started buying client-server software. Intel and the industry know you are idiots at computers. MMO's/steam are signs of idiocracy, aka you are bad at understanding you are getting robbed. That's why we have TPM and client-server crapware in windows 10/11. If you buy any client-server SaaS you are a moron, everyone was expecting local applications forever until 1997.…
You're not wrong. However, while I agree that SaaS is a really dangerous trend that Steam definitely contributed to, I can't agree 100%. Specifically, out of all the SaaS products out there Steam is probably one of the best. And I run most games on Linux with Proton and all my games have local binaries. I have even replaced them with no ill effects. Steam has the capability to hash the file but under normal situation…
Game companies have been exfiltrating data on massive scale and gives them 100% access to everything we say and do, I'm sorry to tell you but we live in a global panopticon that you idiots enabled.
There's zero reason for any application not to be local on your PC, you don't grasp in an internet enabled world your PC is a chip in a global sized motherboard that content companies and intel and AMD want replaced and turned into a dumb locked down consumer device.
TPM is about putting copyright cops on your PC's, and all your beautiful local exe's will be signed binaries in the future, no more dumping MP4's from netflix because they will be end to end encrypted and signed.
Windows 10/11+ is them changing how binary executables work going forward.
From 1960 to roughly 2010, all cpu's were using plaintext binaries, microsoft and the media and content industries desperately want to change this to defeat piracy. They will not give up on locking down your PC, they can finally turn files and give them rivalrous qualities by way of encryption, internet and digital signing. Just like consoles.
You don't seem to grasp we've lost the battle and are too stupid to realize, the future of hardcore gaming on the PC was supposed to be level editors, dedicated servers and local applications, not logon screens, user acccounts and stolen videgames.
Because every "software as a service game" is entirely downloaded to your PC making a mockery of the concept, if Dota 2 and league require a $2000 computer with the latest 3D video card.
If I didn't live with morons these games would be normally coded PC games like we had in the late 90's and early 2000's before the stolen RPG apocalypse (Mmmo's).
MMO's were just rpg's with their networking code stolen out of the game and sold back to you as some "new type of product" the whole thing was a scam, to defraud gamers out of game ownership because the game industry desperately wanted to kill the local infinitely copyable binaries. You don't seem to get this was part of the game plan to kill "piracy" buy literally stealing the game from their customers. Can't easily pirate it (during its period) without the files that used to come inside the game.
That' why modern multiplayer that used to be embedded in the exe is stolen out of most modern games while games from the 90s' you can still play multiplayer because its embedded inside the program.
Re: Intel Introduces New ATX PSU Specifications
#19What caught my eye was the new spec includes side channels for the PSU to communicate with add in hardware. Specifically to report the PSUs capabilities. This looks like a red flag to me. This could be used as a way to vendor lock certain features of hardware to certain brands or capacities of PSU. Get ready for DRM that checks your system all the way down to the PSU level. I prefer a dumb PSU that just gives up the…
Turns out it's only two wires with plain static logic signals, no communication or anything. https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/613768 page 25.
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#20Cool, but where is the actual spec? Can't seem to find it...
The actual specifications do not seem to be published, but Intel has published some design guides for ATX 3.0 and for ATX 12VO, which contain most of the information about these: https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/336521 https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/613768 https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/621484