interesting, but largest ever?
not according to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz4adJXLHgA
which got very different results
Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date
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#12Ivermectin works because the first trials were done in developing economies where the average person had a high chance of parasitic infections. The steroids used as a standard front-line treatment for severe COVID decreases the immune response to parasites, allowing them to multiply unchecked. This killed patients indirectly, but dead is dead , and they "checked in" with COVID, not parasite complaints. Ivermectin is…
To be fair to Joe he wasn't giving medical advice, but licensed doctors on his show were.
This sounds reasonable, until you realise that his opinions massively skew which licensed doctors he lets on the show. So effectively you’re ending up with him pushing his opinion anyway.
If you cherry-pick your experts enough, you’ll be able to find one that agrees with you, no matter how absurd your position.
I’ll also note that much of the time the licensed doctors he invites on aren’t actually in relevant specialties at all. And in many cases they are grifters in some way or another.
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I suspect this was really driven by one Steve Kirsch (https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-...)
No idea if he's just a rich nutter or if he's hoping he can profit by being the first to find a cure to something before anyone else. Maybe it's all just a giant scam to pocket donations.
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I don’t think I’ve seen anybody “knocking” scientists looking into whether ivermectin works. In fact, most ivermectin skeptics _welcome_ that. What I have seen is the knocking of people who claim that ivermectin is a wonder drug; or that the government is deliberately holding back ivermectin to prolong the pandemic; or that paxlovid etc. are just “big Pharma ivermectin”. Those people are right to be “knocked”, becaus…
Nobody is right to be "knocked", it's discourse and leaving alone each other's freedoms what could work. Same as with the russians: censoring "knocking" Russian media won't solve anything, just create a more pro-war society.
Even the government has an agenda and not interested in the truth at all.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair to Joe he wasn't giving medical advice, but licensed doctors on his show were.
This sounds reasonable, until you realise that his opinions massively skew which licensed doctors he lets on the show. So effectively you’re ending up with him pushing his opinion anyway. If you cherry-pick your experts enough, you’ll be able to find one that agrees with you, no matter how absurd your position. I’ll also note that much of the time the licensed doctors he invites on aren’t actually in relevant special…
Serious question: What media doesn't choose their guests to fit their opinions or their political stance? I'd like to watch that one.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair to Joe he wasn't giving medical advice, but licensed doctors on his show were.
This sounds reasonable, until you realise that his opinions massively skew which licensed doctors he lets on the show. So effectively you’re ending up with him pushing his opinion anyway. If you cherry-pick your experts enough, you’ll be able to find one that agrees with you, no matter how absurd your position. I’ll also note that much of the time the licensed doctors he invites on aren’t actually in relevant special…
>If you cherry-pick your experts enough, you’ll be able to find one that agrees with you, no matter how absurd your position.
So? Some experts are more experts than others?
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I don’t think I’ve seen anybody “knocking” scientists looking into whether ivermectin works. In fact, most ivermectin skeptics _welcome_ that. What I have seen is the knocking of people who claim that ivermectin is a wonder drug; or that the government is deliberately holding back ivermectin to prolong the pandemic; or that paxlovid etc. are just “big Pharma ivermectin”. Those people are right to be “knocked”, becaus…
>I don’t think I’ve seen anybody “knocking” scientists looking into whether ivermectin works. (...) What I have seen is the knocking of people who claim that ivermectin is a wonder drug
That's because they did both, combined: "knocked down scientists looking into whether ivermectin works" by making them appear as claiming that "ivermectin is a wonder drug".
Then they get to gloat that they just knocked down those deserving it, and to strawman them more, they say that "they weren’t interested in the truth at all".
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think I’ve seen anybody “knocking” scientists looking into whether ivermectin works. In fact, most ivermectin skeptics _welcome_ that. What I have seen is the knocking of people who claim that ivermectin is a wonder drug; or that the government is deliberately holding back ivermectin to prolong the pandemic; or that paxlovid etc. are just “big Pharma ivermectin”. Those people are right to be “knocked”, becaus…
Nobody is right to be "knocked", it's discourse and leaving alone each other's freedoms what could work. Same as with the russians: censoring "knocking" Russian media won't solve anything, just create a more pro-war society. Even the government has an agenda and not interested in the truth at all.
Are you knocking the knockers? No one is suggesting they be arrested. They're just being ridiculed.
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#19interesting, but largest ever? not according to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz4adJXLHgA which got very different results
Post in the thread [1] gives a very plausibly-sounding hypothesis for seeing different results in non-western countries like your link.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair to Joe he wasn't giving medical advice, but licensed doctors on his show were.
This sounds reasonable, until you realise that his opinions massively skew which licensed doctors he lets on the show. So effectively you’re ending up with him pushing his opinion anyway. If you cherry-pick your experts enough, you’ll be able to find one that agrees with you, no matter how absurd your position. I’ll also note that much of the time the licensed doctors he invites on aren’t actually in relevant special…
>This sounds reasonable, until you realise that his opinions massively skew which licensed doctors he lets on the show.
Don't like to defend Joe Rogan, but he literally had the guy that laughed him off at CNN (Sanjay Gupta).
While he is often pushy with dumb ideas he will often have guests that contradict him. I stopped listening to him regularly because hearing his opinion along so many guests gets kind of old, and he isn't the smartest guy in the world so it gets boring even faster. But I wouldn't characterize him as closeminded.