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Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by Markoff »

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep.

What F1 really needs is one monopost for all drivers when only driving skills will make difference and not how much money will someone throw at car R&D.

Later I switched to Moto GP, much more dynamic, you can see multiple changes to positions within few laps and it's about actual skills.

Please correct me if I am wrong and F1 is now dynamic with lot of overtaking since I haven't seen one GP in last 10-15 years.

Btw. do yourself a service and don't watch the new documentary Schumacher, it's just waste of time with NO new information for anyone who watched F1 during Schumacher times.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by kqr »

This article failed to mention what seems to me like one of the most important aspects of the competition: team dynamics.

Mercedes is the only team (as far as I know) that says things like "we win as a team and lose as a team", try to hold blame-free retrospectives, open collaboration between various sub-teams, and so on.

Every other team goes for cut-throat competition between individuals. "You have to prove yourself or you're out", mistakes are held against you, and so on.

Guess which team has won the last 8 constructor's championships?

I can't believe people aren't talking more about this.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by 0xTJ »

kqr wrote: post #12

This article failed to mention what seems to me like one of the most important aspects of the competition: team dynamics. Mercedes is the only team (as far as I know) that says things like "we win as a team and lose as a team", try to hold blame-free retrospectives, open collaboration between various sub-teams, and so on. Every other team goes for cut-throat competition between individuals. "You have to prove yoursel…

That's in no way completely true. You're essentially 100% buying into the Mercedes propaganda.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by basisword »

Markoff wrote: post #11

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep. What F1 really need…

>> What F1 really needs is one monopost for all drivers when only driving skills will make difference and not how much money will someone throw at car R&D.

That would no longer be F1. There are lots of other categories that follow that formula (e.g. F2/3 and IndyCar) if that’s what you’re looking for. Engineering genius is an important part of F1, even historically (e.g. the “fan car”).

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by jug »

For me also: community. I love the F1 community discussing the off-track banter, the drama, the memes, that has grown immensely since Drive to Survive. Here's a shout-out to www.reddit.com/r/formula1! It has maybe become my favorite subreddit on that site. Professionally moderated with semi-regular appearances of drivers or team representatives for Q&A's as well. Every practice session, qualification, race also gets a live thread so that if you're Forever Alone in this interest, there are friendly people with reactions and jokes over there in those live chats! :)

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by basisword »

kqr wrote: post #12

This article failed to mention what seems to me like one of the most important aspects of the competition: team dynamics. Mercedes is the only team (as far as I know) that says things like "we win as a team and lose as a team", try to hold blame-free retrospectives, open collaboration between various sub-teams, and so on. Every other team goes for cut-throat competition between individuals. "You have to prove yoursel…

If you believe what you see in Drive To Survive then you think the above (which is a big problem with the series). In reality it’s not true. Mercedes are successful because they had a huge head start on the new hybrid engine regs and hired one of the most talented drivers in history. Management is important but “we win and lose as a team” is marketing. The Hamilton/Rosberg era illustrated a lot of cracks in that marketing.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by kqr »

basisword wrote: post #16
kqr wrote: post #12

This article failed to mention what seems to me like one of the most important aspects of the competition: team dynamics. Mercedes is the only team (as far as I know) that says things like "we win as a team and lose as a team", try to hold blame-free retrospectives, open collaboration between various sub-teams, and so on. Every other team goes for cut-throat competition between individuals. "You have to prove yoursel…

If you believe what you see in Drive To Survive then you think the above (which is a big problem with the series). In reality it’s not true. Mercedes are successful because they had a huge head start on the new hybrid engine regs and hired one of the most talented drivers in history. Management is important but “we win and lose as a team” is marketing. The Hamilton/Rosberg era illustrated a lot of cracks in that mark…

Interesting! Do you have further reading I can look into?

Do you know why the Drive To Survive authors would slant things this way?

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by willis936 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #5
dazc wrote: post #2

You missed the golden age of F1 in late 80's and the early 90's. Today's version is like watching a computer simulation where the team with the most money is almost guaranteed to win.

80's and 90's was the golden age of many sports like boxing, rallying and football (the international one)

And 2000 years ago was the golden age of human dogfighting.

Group B is past the line on its way to being gladiator combat. TBIs are non-lethal so American football is tolerated.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by neoberg »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #5
dazc wrote: post #2

You missed the golden age of F1 in late 80's and the early 90's. Today's version is like watching a computer simulation where the team with the most money is almost guaranteed to win.

80's and 90's was the golden age of many sports like boxing, rallying and football (the international one)

Good old days where people dying was a part of the sport.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by neoberg »

kqr wrote: post #17
basisword wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe what you see in Drive To Survive then you think the above (which is a big problem with the series). In reality it’s not true. Mercedes are successful because they had a huge head start on the new hybrid engine regs and hired one of the most talented drivers in history. Management is important but “we win and lose as a team” is marketing. The Hamilton/Rosberg era illustrated a lot of cracks in that mark…

Interesting! Do you have further reading I can look into? Do you know why the Drive To Survive authors would slant things this way?

Because it makes the "story" more interesting? It's not an f1 documentary. It's a show based on f1. There is a difference.
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