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France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by 1ris »

nevermindiguess wrote: post #6
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The thing about Europe weaning itself off Russian hydrocarbons is that it was going to happen anyway, with all the green targets etc. It might as well happen a bit more quickly. Especially so in France, which already has massive carbon-free electricity sources.

I’m sure it’s fine with your developer salary. Go tell the old lady with a meager pension or the family with three kids.

I'm so very sick of this kind of comment. "Sure we could prepare for the seemingly imminent WW3 and literally save the world in the process. But are we sure we want to? cAn We aFfoRd iT?"

If you want social redistribution, implement redistribution. Do cash handouts. But don't fuck up other field of politics. These special interests corrupt everything. If you want to solve a problem, tackle it. Don't play "over gang" so some body can fill their pockets in the process.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by heyyeah »

yetanother-1 wrote: post #12
heyyeah wrote: post #7

I'm working on a project for France to rollout virtual power plant flexibility with domestic electric heating. We get pressure to rapidly increase the rollout now. Let me know if you want to join us!

What is the project, I would like more details please.

Here is the customer site (in french): https://economie-chauffage-electrique.tiko.fr/ + our B2B site (in english) which explains a bit more the platform: https://tiko.energy/

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

#14

Post by natmaka »

nikanj wrote: post #8
boobsbr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, a lot of Belgian houses still use oil (mazout) furnaces.

Belgium is still(!) planning on shutting down nuclear plants. Not sure how they justify the added dependency on Russian energy

There are many not-so-patent dependencies:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-us-utiliti...

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by vladvasiliu »

nevermindiguess wrote: post #6
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The thing about Europe weaning itself off Russian hydrocarbons is that it was going to happen anyway, with all the green targets etc. It might as well happen a bit more quickly. Especially so in France, which already has massive carbon-free electricity sources.

I’m sure it’s fine with your developer salary. Go tell the old lady with a meager pension or the family with three kids.

There are going to be a bunch of subsidies. Note that the article is actually about subsidies ending, not forbidding people from using gas heaters altogether, at least not yet. And this had already been announced since before the whole Ukraine situation.

I don't remember the specifics, but there are some aids for improving insulation in the form of direct cash contributions and also low (or no) interest loans, guaranteed by the state.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

#16

Post by Faaak »

heyyeah wrote: post #7

I'm working on a project for France to rollout virtual power plant flexibility with domestic electric heating. We get pressure to rapidly increase the rollout now. Let me know if you want to join us!

Hey heyyeah I can't see your e-mail in your profile. Could you contact me ? Cheers !

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by rosndo »

nevermindiguess wrote: post #6
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The thing about Europe weaning itself off Russian hydrocarbons is that it was going to happen anyway, with all the green targets etc. It might as well happen a bit more quickly. Especially so in France, which already has massive carbon-free electricity sources.

I’m sure it’s fine with your developer salary. Go tell the old lady with a meager pension or the family with three kids.

Old lady with a meager pension can still wear more clothes and ensure that her home is properly insulated.

Same goes for the family with three kids.

Indoor temperatures going down by a degree or two really is not a big deal.

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by CalRobert »

heyyeah wrote: post #7

I'm working on a project for France to rollout virtual power plant flexibility with domestic electric heating. We get pressure to rapidly increase the rollout now. Let me know if you want to join us!

That's fascinating, I haven't seen you on naturetech.io or climatebase.org, do you know a good way to find EU sustainability jobs and organisations?

Re: France ends gas heaters subsidies

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Post by yourusername »

1ris wrote: post #11
nevermindiguess wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure it’s fine with your developer salary. Go tell the old lady with a meager pension or the family with three kids.

I'm so very sick of this kind of comment. "Sure we could prepare for the seemingly imminent WW3 and literally save the world in the process. But are we sure we want to? cAn We aFfoRd iT?" If you want social redistribution, implement redistribution. Do cash handouts. But don't fuck up other field of politics. These special interests corrupt everything. If you want to solve a problem, tackle it. Don't play "over gang"…

I don't think anyone disagrees that moving away from hydrocarbons is a good thing. The contention is that this shock to move away more quickly is good. The lower half of incomes are really hurting. Our government (NL) is doing some quick fixes but it won't nearly compensate everything and according to the planning agencies we are looking at the biggest drop in spending power in over 40 years. That hurts if you were just barely getting by in 2020.

E: This is not about gas for our SUVs being 30% more expensive, this is about your heating bill quadrupling since Q1 2021 if you have to do a new contract now.

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