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Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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> On March 8, Google Cloud Traffic Director experienced an outage. This in coordination with a bug in a client (gRPC) library caused the Spotify outage that affected many of our users: if you were logged out of a Spotify app, you were unable to log back in.

But they don’t explain why I was logged out. I did not log out myself. Or is this “logged out” in the sense that I did not have their app active at the time of the disruption?

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

Reminder that Apple pays artists better too (average penny per stream over Spotify's average 3-4 tenths of a penny per stream).

And that Spotify is led by people who think artists who want that level of compensation are "entitled":

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/06/29/spotify-executiv...

Re: Incident report: Spotify outage on March 8

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

I’d prefer to use AM but they’re lacking an ability like Spotify’s to play to Google Home devices and device groups. We use that feature daily, and I highly doubt Apple will ever support broadcasting to Chromecasts.

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

> lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality General headphone recommendation? Best I have is an MDR-7506 but I don't think it's meant for listening rather producing.

Depends on price range. DT 770 PRO's would be a nice step up and serve both purposes pretty well. They're over-ear like your MDR's. You can usually find them on sale for like $140-160 USD

Fairly neutral response (dunno if you'd prefer something bassier for listening) and very comfortable

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

> lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality General headphone recommendation? Best I have is an MDR-7506 but I don't think it's meant for listening rather producing.

With some of the banal EDM that's out there now, some retro 1980s walkman headphones would do.

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

If you can consistently tell the difference between Spotify Premium's 320kbps and Apple Music's lossless, I am very impressed. Most folks reading this won't be able to. Having used both, I'm now happily paying for Spotify to avoid using the train wreck that is the Apple Music app. It is a true shame what Apple has done to iTunes.

Just depends on how you are driving it. I can tell the difference on Homepods, Airpod Max, my car (wired) and few other places, but barely on airpod pros and most other bluetooth headphones. And to the crowd that has their keyboards handy to say "but the airpod max and homepods do not support lossless", you are absolutely right but the quality of the source does make a difference, even though those devices will not be playing lossless, they will still have better quality if the source is better.

I am not completely sure if its the codec Apple uses that is making the difference or if it is because the source is lossless, but bass sounds punchier and instrument separation is much better with Apple Music compared to Spotify's best quality.

I was really looking forward to Spotify's lossless that was announced (I think it's called Spotify HQ?), but I haven't heard about that in a long time.

Edit: If you plug in your Airpod Max with a hardwire cable, the difference is even more noticeable, even with iPhone's internal DAC.

Also want to clarify that the differences and not so pronounced that you will be able to tell right away, but if you listen to Apple Music for a while and try to listen to the same song on Spotify, it will not sound the same. It's one of those cases where you don't know what you don't know till you know it once.

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

I have no interest in paying one of the large American tech giants for my music. They already control too much, and music is a side business for them.

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

Apple Music is just so increadibly bad UX wise. I have a real hard time justifying paying for it and have considered many times to switch back to Spotify. Trying to find new and interesting music is pretty much impossible outside of the "here's what people listen to now" playlists. You need to know what to look for when searching for things. Spotify was great for finding indie music bands, and could really give good…

> Apple Music is just so increadibly bad UX wise.

Is it? When I switched to Apple Music I didn't find it remarkably better or worse then anything else I've used (including Spotify). Reviews (https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-music) don't mention any UX issues either. If you know of any substantive commentary on this I'd appreciate a link.

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Just here to share that if you haven't tried Apple Music for its lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality then you really, really, should. Apple Music does not have a great UI but it is definitely worth the trade off. Tidal sounds great, but they make you pay extra for lossless and have a smaller catalogue.

Apple Music’s best feature for me is its real focus on building up your own library. On top of that, it integrates seamlessly with iTunes in the Cloud. Using the same app, I can stream anything from my iTunes library, which includes a decent amount of music not available on any DSP.

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> lossless and Dolby Atmos sound quality General headphone recommendation? Best I have is an MDR-7506 but I don't think it's meant for listening rather producing.

Depends on price range. DT 770 PRO's would be a nice step up and serve both purposes pretty well. They're over-ear like your MDR's. You can usually find them on sale for like $140-160 USD Fairly neutral response (dunno if you'd prefer something bassier for listening) and very comfortable

Yeah I don't really have any specific demands other than it is meant for music... I bought these ATH-MX-20/40X from reviews and apparently they're monitoring headphones?... so yeah. Those are definitely flat.

Thanks I'll put those on a list. Definitely one of those things have to try on in person to buy but recommendations help too.

Edit: not too bassy actually, neutral would be nice like works for almost anything.

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