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NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Just an FYI, All RTO/ISOs in the US have a variety of dashboards to describe realtime and historical information, as do the Canadian entities. So you can see the same thing for CAISO, ERCOT, SPP, MISO, PJM, ISO-NE...etc on their websites.

There is a very nice volunteer made one for ERCOT that popped up during the freeze last year, on datadog no less.

https://p.datadoghq.com/sb/5c2fc00be-393be929c9c55c3b80b557d...

Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Tangentially related: New York is home to NYPA[1], the largest public power utility/authority in the United States. NYPA is entirely owned by the public, produces some of the cheapest (and greenest) power in the country, and is funded in perpetuity by bonds instead of taxes. Edit: This bond announcement[2] document claims that NYPA provides over 25% of NY's electricity and owns over 30% of the physical delivery infra…

I grew up near this NYPA facility, which is a really interesting energy storage idea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blenheim%E2%80%93Gilboa_Hydroe...

Basically, they built a reservoir on top of a mountain, and pump water up there during off peak times. When NYC hits peak demand, they let the water flow down. Essentially a giant water battery!

Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Nice, now I can visualize how much more I'm paying after the shutdown of Indian Point nuclear plant in favor of expensive fossil fuels.

Will you be factoring in the cost of an accident (you can adjust the rarity of the accident to get your expected value) destroying the entire economic engine of the state?

A lot of nuclear closures make no sense. Germany's indiscriminate shutting down of all the nuclear power plants in the country without waiting for renewable alternatives to be online was a bad idea.

However, specific shutdowns do make sense. A nuclear plant situation upstream of the biggest city in the US, right by the entire city's water supply is very high up in the list of existing nuclear shutdowns that make sense.

Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Just an FYI, All RTO/ISOs in the US have a variety of dashboards to describe realtime and historical information, as do the Canadian entities. So you can see the same thing for CAISO, ERCOT, SPP, MISO, PJM, ISO-NE...etc on their websites.

Check out ElectricityMap.org, they scrape the independent dashboards (CAISO, NYISO, ISO-NE, ERCOT) for generation mix data, anything else (in the US) is pulled from EIA’s balancing authority API with a 6-12 hour lag (ElectricityMap uses machine learning to provide real time estimates based on historical data for data delayed zones, and it is spooky how accurate it is [Chile in particular] when the data backfills and…

Woah Quebec seems to have the lowest (?) Carbon intensity on the map. Hydro power is just amazing, and I'm glad we had very forward looking PMs back in the 60-70s who pushed for massive hydro projects even when the costs were gigantic. There's still so much hydro potential in the province that isn't being used though.

Makes me wonder if it would be possible to build up our hydro capacity specifically for export instead of just exporting our surpluses like we do now. Maybe it won't be profitable now, but would it be too energy inefficient to transport much more electricity from the north of the province to further south than New England?

Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Nice, now I can visualize how much more I'm paying after the shutdown of Indian Point nuclear plant in favor of expensive fossil fuels.

Will you be factoring in the cost of an accident (you can adjust the rarity of the accident to get your expected value) destroying the entire economic engine of the state? A lot of nuclear closures make no sense. Germany's indiscriminate shutting down of all the nuclear power plants in the country without waiting for renewable alternatives to be online was a bad idea. However, specific shutdowns do make sense. A nucl…

Sure, like Fukushima, which is rare, and had a single death?

Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Nice, now I can visualize how much more I'm paying after the shutdown of Indian Point nuclear plant in favor of expensive fossil fuels.

Will you be factoring in the cost of an accident (you can adjust the rarity of the accident to get your expected value) destroying the entire economic engine of the state? A lot of nuclear closures make no sense. Germany's indiscriminate shutting down of all the nuclear power plants in the country without waiting for renewable alternatives to be online was a bad idea. However, specific shutdowns do make sense. A nucl…

Will you be factoring in the healthcare costs associated with burning more diesel and natural gas? (Not even getting into the externalities of climate change.)

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I thought Kurzgesagt did a pretty good job of breaking this down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzfpyo-q-RM. Basically, no matter how you look at it, nuclear is among the safest forms of energy we have, behind only solar, wind, and hydropower. Admittedly, deaths ≠ costs, but I imagine the numbers would be similar.

Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Why is power produced by wood (which I assume means burning wood) listed alongside solar in "other renewables"? I guess technically trees are renewable? I assume burning them releases CO2 though...

Biosphere carbon is carbon neutral. If you grow a tree, pulp the tree, and burn the tree, the amount of overall carbon available has not changed as the process of growing new trees will reuse the same carbon. Ignoring external energy costs, obvs.

It's a little weird to think about but those wood burning plants are mostly taking the production waste of lumber processing and using it for fuel, similar to wood pellet grills but much larger, and it burns surprisingly clean, relatively speaking anyway.

What's killing us is pulling billions of tons of carbon that was buried deep in the earth and reinjecting that into the atmosphere.

Re: NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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California’s ISO has a similar dashboard: https://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx

Every major regional ISO does in North America and most of the ones in the equivalent market organizations in Europe do as well. The historian data this uses was made easily publishable about 8 years or so ago and you can get quite detailed API dumps from most of them, although usually at a time-delay to meet their requirements for market protection.

Worldwide OSIsoft's PI is the outsized leader in that but there are numerous other historians with modernized REST API outputs, etc, from Canary Labs and most SCADA systems will at least include their own discount version built on top of Postgres or something. The more dedicated ones use time-series databases versus relational ones but with modern storage and processing that isn't as big of a performance issue as it was in the 80s and 90s.

OATI is big in that space as well for inter-utility aggregation and transfer, as well as some other company I'm blanking on the name of out of Illinois that was widely used as least in WECC.

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