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JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

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Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

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Does anyone know how that works ? I'd be open to seeing what is the internal communication. Will the Russian employees be in furlough ? Will they cut access ? How is the business supposed to move forward ?

It's hard to see how they could pay people with so many financial institutions cutting ties.

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

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Russia looks set to remove trademark protection and has already removed patent protection from JetBrains (along with basically the entire west) - could be related to why now rather than earlier: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/03/09/russia-al...

It's not about trademarks, patents or licenses. JetBrains made a public statement against the war in Ukraine, now they fear for the safety of the employees left in Russia.

Being in a rough neighborhood, "founded in Prague, Czech Republic, 22 years ago" their position about Russia's "special military operation" is more than the usual vapid posturing by entities with little or no skin in the game, but you would think they would have thought about their vulnerable employees still in Russia before publicizing that position. Makes me wonder what else they might do purely for "political" reasons; another reason I'll be sticking with my FOSS development tools.

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

#13

Russia looks set to remove trademark protection and has already removed patent protection from JetBrains (along with basically the entire west) - could be related to why now rather than earlier: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/03/09/russia-al...

It's not about trademarks, patents or licenses. JetBrains made a public statement against the war in Ukraine, now they fear for the safety of the employees left in Russia.

There are political risks to staying as well. They are quite a high profile company within Russia, the government could walk in and demand access to servers or cut them off from the internet in retaliation to the sanctions.

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about trademarks, patents or licenses. JetBrains made a public statement against the war in Ukraine, now they fear for the safety of the employees left in Russia.

Being in a rough neighborhood, "founded in Prague, Czech Republic, 22 years ago" their position about Russia's "special military operation" is more than the usual vapid posturing by entities with little or no skin in the game, but you would think they would have thought about their vulnerable employees still in Russia before publicizing that position. Makes me wonder what else they might do purely for "political" rea…

> another reason I'll be sticking with my FOSS development tools.

Here is the repository for IntelliJ [1]. It has an Apache 2.0 license. That is - by any definition - FOSS.

It’s clear you have some form of agenda with “political reasons” mentioned. Why not stop being coy and spell it out?

[1]: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about trademarks, patents or licenses. JetBrains made a public statement against the war in Ukraine, now they fear for the safety of the employees left in Russia.

Being in a rough neighborhood, "founded in Prague, Czech Republic, 22 years ago" their position about Russia's "special military operation" is more than the usual vapid posturing by entities with little or no skin in the game, but you would think they would have thought about their vulnerable employees still in Russia before publicizing that position. Makes me wonder what else they might do purely for "political" rea…

Given the recent many displays of Russian government incompetence, I doubt that they will connect the dots fast enough to repress people like them on an individual level (or at least I hope so). It seems they have plenty of actual protestors in the streets to arrest. Should keep them busy for a while. This could be, in fact, the best moment for JetBrains to act.

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

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If Russia wanted to double down on cyber attacks, kidnapping some senior dev families and forcing them to compromise JetBrains could be something they might try. I don’t even know what else to use for c++ dev, JetBrains tools are so far ahead of everyone else. Visual studio is so unpleasant to use and needs resharper to be usable

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

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If Russia wanted to double down on cyber attacks, kidnapping some senior dev families and forcing them to compromise JetBrains could be something they might try. I don’t even know what else to use for c++ dev, JetBrains tools are so far ahead of everyone else. Visual studio is so unpleasant to use and needs resharper to be usable

Realistically I don't think there is a chance of that happening. Jetbrains was based out of Moscow (they are a Russian company IIRC) but now they have offices around the globe. If Russia tied doing this, JetBrains would immediately cut off access to those offices/workers and probably sound the alarm to the media on what is going on.

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

#19

If Russia wanted to double down on cyber attacks, kidnapping some senior dev families and forcing them to compromise JetBrains could be something they might try. I don’t even know what else to use for c++ dev, JetBrains tools are so far ahead of everyone else. Visual studio is so unpleasant to use and needs resharper to be usable

Maybe we have been living in that situation for a while already. Not sure if you missed it but Jetbrains has been somewhat brought into accusations regarding the SolarWinds hack.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/01/06/statement-on-the-...

and

https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/01/07/an-update-on-sola...

Re: JetBrains suspends R&D activities in Russia and sales in Russia and Belarus

#20

If Russia wanted to double down on cyber attacks, kidnapping some senior dev families and forcing them to compromise JetBrains could be something they might try. I don’t even know what else to use for c++ dev, JetBrains tools are so far ahead of everyone else. Visual studio is so unpleasant to use and needs resharper to be usable

Realistically I don't think there is a chance of that happening. Jetbrains was based out of Moscow (they are a Russian company IIRC) but now they have offices around the globe. If Russia tied doing this, JetBrains would immediately cut off access to those offices/workers and probably sound the alarm to the media on what is going on.

The Chinese government sometimes imprisons family members of people living abroad to force those abroad to do things. Why would a monster like putin shy away from that? JetBrains can’t really stop it, 1500/1900 of their staff are Russian (according to the other posts here). The founders are Russian. Many will have vulnerable family in Russia
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