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Moscow retaliates against Western sanctions with export bans

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Re: Moscow retaliates against Western sanctions with export bans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they extend them to gas, we Euros are fucked hard.

They can't redirect a gas pipeline. If they sell it to Asia instead they will have a much higher overhead in transportation. Then they'd have to deal with the leverage that Asia has over little competition.

They can conservate it for the better times.

Re: Moscow retaliates against Western sanctions with export bans

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I can't find data to support my speculation but I'll share it anyway: 1. The things the west has banned importation from Russia, and the things that Russia is banning exportation of, may not be the same. Therefore, Russia may cause pain by blocking the export of some things that were previously available. 2. The West previously controlled when the end of this trade blockage happens. Now Russia also controls this and…

Russia was always in control of when this ends. They can simply leave Ukraine.

Re: Moscow retaliates against Western sanctions with export bans

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Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is this not the equivalent of saying "You can't fire me - I quit"? Are there any practical consequences from this besides symbolism?

The sanctions may be selective, and what Russia bans may be outside of those sanctions and affect many third countries. Not just from the direct effects, it could also increase prices even if you are able to find a replacement for those exports from a different country. Possible problematic exports:

- Wheat exports: 17.6% of the global wheat exports are from Russia, 8% are from Ukraine which may fall under Russia control. [1]

- Potash exports (fertilizer): Russia and Belarus and #2 and #3 in global exports of potash. [2]

- Gas: Russia supplies roughly 40% of the EU's gas [3]

[1] https://www.worldstopexports.com/wheat-exports-country/

[2] https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/our-natural-resources/minerals-minin...

[3] https://fortune.com/2022/03/08/eu-russian-gas-supply-wean-bl...

Re: Moscow retaliates against Western sanctions with export bans

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Western sanctions = Russia cannot spend money on western products Russian sanctions = Russia does not get any money from other countries That is good, right?

Brazil, China and other trading partners have not signed onto any or all of the sanctions. The sanctions are still hurting the Russian people, but there haven't been signs yet that it has hurt the government.

Re: Moscow retaliates against Western sanctions with export bans

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Anyone know what impact these two items from the article would have on western companies?

allowing Russian airlines to register jets leased from Western firms as their own property

In response, a government commission on Wednesday approved the first step towards nationalising assets of foreign firms that leave the country.

It seems to me the companies involved probably knew this was possible/probable when they pulled out but I don't know enough about all of this to understand how much value they lose when their capital in a country is simply taken from them outright...

Re: Moscow retaliates against Western sanctions with export bans

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Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is this not the equivalent of saying "You can't fire me - I quit"? Are there any practical consequences from this besides symbolism?

Russia and Ukraine generate a quarter of the world's grain, and nearly as much so of corn. Ukraine was pretty much written off for this season, but Russia shutting off grain exports is going to make things worse. However, it's yet another loss of income for them when they've already lost most of their oil/gas export income. My guess is that the grain and corn will go to China. The US pays a lot of farmers to sit on t…

> Russia and Ukraine generate a quarter of the world's grain, and nearly as much so of corn.

They generate a quarter of the grain export. That's a very important difference. Russia stopping wheat exports would be a very bad thing, but it's not nearly as catastrophic as some present it to be.

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Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is this not the equivalent of saying "You can't fire me - I quit"? Are there any practical consequences from this besides symbolism?

You need a large alignment to have any real effect. Even the things we may need from them we can buy from another country that bought from them. Russia doesn't have the political network to prevent this from happening.

The catch is that a lot of these exports are bulk goods, which are sensitive to transport cost. It's why, for example, Russia exports so much gas to Germany. It's not for nothing that a large swath of the EU became dependent on Russian energy and wheat.

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Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is this not the equivalent of saying "You can't fire me - I quit"? Are there any practical consequences from this besides symbolism?

If they extend them to gas, we Euros are fucked hard.

If I was him I'd shut it down and use environmental retoric to justify it. "We should leave it in the ground, what about future generations?" sort of stuff. The mental gymnastics would be Olympic level.
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