Post was emotionally charged but left me thinking, “If you cared so much about her why did you stick her in a nursing home?”
Because taking care of someone full time means you have to quit your job. Often this means that you can't pay rent.
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#12Post was emotionally charged but left me thinking, “If you cared so much about her why did you stick her in a nursing home?”
Because taking care of someone full time means you have to quit your job. Often this means that you can't pay rent.
Yet, in many countries nursing homes are not even a thing and somehow people survive.
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> What did we learn about rates of suicide during the COVID-19 pandemic (first 16 months)? In contrast to alarmist predictions of increasing rates of suicide as a consequence of the COVID-19 pandemic, overall rates actually declined or at worst stayed stable https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8110323/ First hit on “covid suicide” on DDG. Care to provide rebutting evidence?
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#14Why not just take her out of the nursing home?
The house may not be elder-safe in terms of fall hazards and so on, the family may not have the ability to afford a home nurse or to have someone unemployed acting as a carer, carer burnout is a real danger and can break families, the grandparent may have specialised medical needs that require skilled care that is not available in a household setting, one or more family members may be involved in high covid risk jobs that make it inappropriate to host a vulnerable person... I'm sure there are many more good reasons, these are just a few off the top of my head.
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> COVID policy has increased suicide in youths
No
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#16Counterpoint 1: Sweden delayed locking down nursing homes and then implemented it really poorly. A huge percentage of COVID deaths were due to a nurse getting sick, coming to work anyway and basically killing half of the residents. Without lockdowns your 95 old grandmother would probably have been dead by now.
Counterpoint 2: did you take care of her and talked to her everyday, or maybe taken her home? Otherwise at 95 she could end up like this with and without lockdowns.
I find it funny that you bring numbers into this (at her age she had only 3.4 years to live but only 11% chance if dying of COVID). You cannot mix emotional and cold like that in the same post...
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What did we learn about rates of suicide during the COVID-19 pandemic (first 16 months)? In contrast to alarmist predictions of increasing rates of suicide as a consequence of the COVID-19 pandemic, overall rates actually declined or at worst stayed stable https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8110323/ First hit on “covid suicide” on DDG. Care to provide rebutting evidence?
Here are several: - https://blogs.bcm.edu/2021/11/17/covid-19-and-the-rise-of-te... - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/youth-suicide-attempts-... - https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-06-11/...
Those are not several studies. One is a blog, the other two are news items, and they all appear to reference the same study. That study has several disclaimers, including that it does not show an increase in suicides (it shows an increase in suspected attempts) and that it does not show a causal link to the pandemic.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because taking care of someone full time means you have to quit your job. Often this means that you can't pay rent.
Yet, in many countries nursing homes are not even a thing and somehow people survive.
People also survive without access to warm water. I think the discussion if external or family care is preferable is answered for both parties in favor of external care.
If one family member stays at home, such care would be possible, but this reality becomes much rarer today. Otherwise you indeed would almost certainly have to quit your job since care is an almost full time occupation you cannot do on the side in many cases.
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#19Counterpoint 1: Sweden delayed locking down nursing homes and then implemented it really poorly. A huge percentage of COVID deaths were due to a nurse getting sick, coming to work anyway and basically killing half of the residents. Without lockdowns your 95 old grandmother would probably have been dead by now. Counterpoint 2: did you take care of her and talked to her everyday, or maybe taken her home? Otherwise at 9…
>>Sweden delayed locking down nursing homes and then implemented it really poorly.
Canada locked down nursing homes completely yet 98.5% of COVID deaths were in nursing homes.
After a year, a hundred and fifty thousand nursing home patients were still confined in their room in the province of Ontario:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/long-term-care-covid-...
What has been done to so many people, in the name of safety, during this pandemic, is obscene, and an affront to the principles of liberal democracy. This episode in our history demonstrates the utter inhumanity and banal brutality of anti-libertarian ideology.
>>did you take care of her and talked to her everyday, or maybe taken her home? Otherwise at 95 she could end up like this with and without lockdowns.
When you advocate for a forceful intervention, it's your responsibility to anticipate how the target of your intervention may fall short in adjusting to it.
Your argument is reminiscent of neocons blaming the post-invasion chaos in Iraq on the people of Iraq not forming a civil society and functional democracy quickly enough.
>>I find it funny that you bring numbers into this (at her age she had only 3.4 years to live but only 11% chance if dying of COVID). You cannot mix emotional and cold like that in the same post...
You can absolutely mix emotions in with numbers. In fact, you should. Emotional reactions should be informed by facts.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because taking care of someone full time means you have to quit your job. Often this means that you can't pay rent.
Yet, in many countries nursing homes are not even a thing and somehow people survive.
In those countries, the wife/mother of the family doesn’t work outside the home and handles childcare and elder care inside the home.
Not taking a stand on what’s the best structure, but that’s the “somehow” you’re referring to.