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Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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The Nazi problem in Croatia definitely fits what the article is describing as found in Ukraine. In the US however, it's hardly comparable or the same thing and the Guardian article has been debunked to death (As the orange man already condemned them years ago which that was cut out by the media).

So this is half whataboutism.

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. It really is possible to find shared goals and cooperate on achieving them with people who do not totally agree with you. Once the immediate threat is addressed, those people might be the next item on the agenda; but this is "stand together or fall separately" territor…

That may be reasonable; I think it's important to consider how any party's involvement will be remembered as well, though. What groups will be glorified? Will that affect the way that those groups behave, what they feel proud about, and how they are treated in future?

There are a lot of roles required in successfully defending against an invasion -- maintenance, transport, heavy lifting, fighting, cooking; to name a few. Effective task assignment can be a resilience multiplier in the moment and also has a long-term echo.

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I can't believe anyone still brings up Trump and a "refusal" to denounce white supremacy. It seems to me that there were so many opportunities to criticise Trump - as there is for any president, to be fair - that I have to wonder why the media persists in undermining their own reputation with this kind of nonsense instead, but it must be because it works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. It really is possible to find shared goals and cooperate on achieving them with people who do not totally agree with you. Once the immediate threat is addressed, those people might be the next item on the agenda; but this is "stand together or fall separately" territor…

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Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. It really is possible to find shared goals and cooperate on achieving them with people who do not totally agree with you. Once the immediate threat is addressed, those people might be the next item on the agenda; but this is "stand together or fall separately" territor…

> When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line.

Unless who is trying to propagate this information, works together or for Russia.

BTW from HN:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again...

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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I can't believe anyone still brings up Trump and a "refusal" to denounce white supremacy. It seems to me that there were so many opportunities to criticise Trump - as there is for any president, to be fair - that I have to wonder why the media persists in undermining their own reputation with this kind of nonsense instead, but it must be because it works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

He did more than refuse...

"Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides" https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-d...

Did the media made that one also?

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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A pretext, but that has nothing to do with you posting it here, that is a distraction. Ukraine currently has a Russian problem, the Nazi problem there - and elsewhere - should be dealt with but it can wait until the shells stop flying and there is - hopefully - a Ukraine left.

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Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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The Nazi problem in Croatia definitely fits what the article is describing as found in Ukraine. In the US however, it's hardly comparable or the same thing and the Guardian article has been debunked to death (As the orange man already condemned them years ago which that was cut out by the media). So this is half whataboutism.

Such a lovely person. How could somebody forget, when he invited his opponents to use the same concentration camp era symbol, to target his political opponents.

https://hyperallergic.com/573716/trumps-sinister-appropriati...

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. It really is possible to find shared goals and cooperate on achieving them with people who do not totally agree with you. Once the immediate threat is addressed, those people might be the next item on the agenda; but this is "stand together or fall separately" territor…

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> just have to read through your comments to see that you are Russia supporter.

wut

> I'm Jewish

That's my favorite argument in internet discussions: "I'm Ukrainian and I don't support my government; I'm Russian and I hate Putin; I'm a liberal, but Trump is a great leader; I'm Jewish and..."

> Antisemitism is part of Nazism. There is no Nazism without Antisemitism.

Nazism is not about jews, it's about supremacy of the nazis nation, whatever nation it is, over other nations.

> Is that a reason to remove the rights of the Ukraine to exist? For sure not!

That's what the article says

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