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Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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I'm 55 now and I'm working on a side gig that's 'skillful manual labor' and I get a lot of satisfaction from the work and from becoming (let's hope) one of the best in the world at the thing.

cf, "Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work" by M. Crawford

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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i "retired" (read, burned out) after 15 years and a failed startup attempt. loafed around and partied for 3 or 4 years.

Bought the farm. Wanted a house but not enough money, so i got a job framing. within 6 months i hired a guy i was working with and started a business framing houses just this january.

Its a lot of kinesthetic learning (and i was never in good shape let alone an athlete) which was a total 180 from what ive done my whole life.

And im now in the best shape of my life, went from hypertensive 130/80 and 80-90 pulse to 121/71 with a resting bp in the high 50s. and i started doing strength training, which is necessary to excel.

i guess it was time for a change of pace. and to round myself out. im going for the whole Renaissance man thing. Ive picked up so many skills and hobbies since i left the industry.

i still code for fun, and looking to automate some processes on the farm one day soon. namely watering.

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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post #10

I'm definitely not the smartest guy in the room by any stretch, ever, but as a decade+ practicing attorney myself and everyone I know have this same mindset. I even love my job much more than most of my peers. But the bureaucracy, nitpicking, bad attitudes that flow over from peoples' personal lives in to work, petty vindictiveness over perceived slights, frequent unpreparedness of peers and judges and outright hatre…

I'll add - self proclaimed gatekeepers and self-absorbed "leaders" make hypocrisy obvious, leading to a lack of motivation.

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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I had a friend in IT saying this this literally 20 years ago, although we didn't know the burnout word back then. I couldn't understand it at the time. But I learned, and am now retired. I occasionally get a twinge of something about not grabbing a huge FANG paycheck for a year or 5, but remind myself that money is a tool, not the goal.

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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i "retired" (read, burned out) after 15 years and a failed startup attempt. loafed around and partied for 3 or 4 years. Bought the farm. Wanted a house but not enough money, so i got a job framing. within 6 months i hired a guy i was working with and started a business framing houses just this january. Its a lot of kinesthetic learning (and i was never in good shape let alone an athlete) which was a total 180 from wh…

Office Space

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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Not a new thing by any stretch, though maybe more widespread these days as more people have the money to quit work and don't need to actually earn money as farmers. Back in the pre-Obama era, one of my girlfriends moved to California for grad school from the Pennsylvania Amish country, where her dad was a former electrical engineer who decided he hated it and would rather be a farmer. His was the only non-Amish farm in the county, but he used his engineering skills to run the entire operation on waste vegetable oil, disconnected from the grid, and he obtained all of his fuel for free from the Philadelphia restaurants he sold his vegetables to. I still remember and envy staying there for a week, the way he threw away no food, instead collecting all waste and giving it to his chickens, and they in turn gave him fresh eggs every day. Having that kind of symbiotic relationship with animals seemed almost magical. I love my cats, but all they do is consume and make messes for me to clean up. He had cats too, but they spent all day in the woods, slept in his barn, and killed all of the mice for him!

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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post #10

I'm definitely not the smartest guy in the room by any stretch, ever, but as a decade+ practicing attorney myself and everyone I know have this same mindset. I even love my job much more than most of my peers. But the bureaucracy, nitpicking, bad attitudes that flow over from peoples' personal lives in to work, petty vindictiveness over perceived slights, frequent unpreparedness of peers and judges and outright hatre…

humanity is truly a jungle

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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post #10

I'm definitely not the smartest guy in the room by any stretch, ever, but as a decade+ practicing attorney myself and everyone I know have this same mindset. I even love my job much more than most of my peers. But the bureaucracy, nitpicking, bad attitudes that flow over from peoples' personal lives in to work, petty vindictiveness over perceived slights, frequent unpreparedness of peers and judges and outright hatre…

I am not an attorney myself. But I have noticed that people working in law tends to rank their happiness/satisfaction levels lower that people in most other industries. Law seems to attract a large percentage of narcissistic/sociopathic individuals. Is that your impression as well?

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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post #10

I'm definitely not the smartest guy in the room by any stretch, ever, but as a decade+ practicing attorney myself and everyone I know have this same mindset. I even love my job much more than most of my peers. But the bureaucracy, nitpicking, bad attitudes that flow over from peoples' personal lives in to work, petty vindictiveness over perceived slights, frequent unpreparedness of peers and judges and outright hatre…

All the things you mention are 100% true.

That said, how you react, internalize your interactions, and feel at the end of the day is completely within your control. Not to say you shouldn’t abandon everything and go for the quiet life, but that should come from a place of genuine desire, not because you are tired of a shitty work environment. I struggle with this too and sometimes need to reflect if I’m making a particular decision because of external pressures or because I really want to pursue it.

Re: “The smartest engineers I know are burned out and starting vegetable gardens”

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post #11

I'm 55 now and I'm working on a side gig that's 'skillful manual labor' and I get a lot of satisfaction from the work and from becoming (let's hope) one of the best in the world at the thing. cf, "Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work" by M. Crawford

Thanks for the book reference. I will check it out.
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