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Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

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Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

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post #4

he said.. in courier, monospaced paragraphs format, morally as close to "plaintext" as you can be with a couple of diagrams which could have been ASCII art...

Ironically, the "pro plain text" link posted earlier used lots of formatting.

I don't see why pure plain text is better in any way than plain text with formatting, like a simplified form of HTML (, , , some kind of table formatting, etc). The latter is non-proprietary, easily read and diffed, and communicates better than pure text.

Images have their own value, as do animations and video on occasion. Here matters become more complicated - image formats are generally non-human-readable and non-diffable (though SVG or a similar format could solve those problems for schematic-type images) and image conversions generally involve data loss. For starters, though, one should at least use a non-proprietary format for images and video.

Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

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I got quite a lot of use out of metadata over the years, such that now I'll probably get a nervous itch and tremors all over my body if I attempt to use just plain text. Specifically, the creation and modification times for each addition to my notes are rather valuable, especially with the work-from-home lifestyle aka ‘day fades into night into day’—with which more people are gonna be familiarized in these years.

Thankfully I'm using Org-mode these days, which is reasonably ‘plain text’ under practical definitions—but I make dozens new headings every week, and each of them is stamped with the creation time. But boy do I miss having modification times too—should probably finally set up automatic commits to Git. Also need to mess with Orgzly so that it marks notes that are created on the phone.

Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

#13
post #8

That "some" proprietary formats from the 80's and 90's are still readable is already causing real problems: because not *all* are. So text, possibly with Markdown or similar hints regarding emphasis and structure, is still vastly better than any alternative I can think of.

Additionally the option to (relatively) easily transform markdown or richtext to another format is a great when you want to try a new tool and/or format.

Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

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IMO the question is more about which standards are used, rather than specifying an specific format. In particular, using open and free standards and formats increases the chance to retrieve and use data after long time storage. Different formats suit different data types.

Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

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post #3

> but dismissing or abandoning media files is a much more guaranteed potential loss of information – information which plain text cannot capture due to its limitations. Some examples are sorely needed. How is a Word/InDesign file more authentic than a plain text file? Or is the author talking about media? Is a ProTools session more authentic than Wav files?

>Is a ProTools session more authentic than Wav files?

Dunno about 'authentic', but since the part you've quoted specifically talks about "loss of information", the WAV files indeed incur loss of information compared to a ProTools session.

E.g. if it's a single stereo wav file render, it would miss all the individual channels, for starters.

If it's multiple wav files with all the channels as stems, it will still miss the effect chain settings (and hardcode them in the final result), the MIDI notes (hardcoded as the rendered VST output), session markers, tempo change tracks, and other such things.

Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

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post #11
post #4

he said.. in courier, monospaced paragraphs format, morally as close to "plaintext" as you can be with a couple of diagrams which could have been ASCII art...

Ironically, the "pro plain text" link posted earlier used lots of formatting. I don't see why pure plain text is better in any way than plain text with formatting, like a simplified form of HTML ( , , , some kind of table formatting, etc). The latter is non-proprietary, easily read and diffed, and communicates better than pure text. Images have their own value, as do animations and video on occasion. Here matters bec…

As the pro-plain-text post said: HTML, Markdown, JSON, LaTeX, and many other standard formats, are just plain text.

Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

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Plain text is so compelling because it's as simple as it gets, you can bring your own editor, you own your own data, and you can use version control.

Text+ is compelling because you can have images and some kind of formatting. You want to store metadata and have backlinks and tags. Ideally with the possibility of collaborative editing.

There should be a way to fuse these two.

Re: Don't write just in plain text (longevity vs. authenticity)

#20
This essay is actually deeper than its surface appearance, about text versus other formats. It's about semantics and richness of content, although I am not sure Miris fully grasps what s/he is wrestling with.

The author invokes the concept of "authenticity", and that's where it gets interesting.

I used to set my students a question about information content in a class on the philosophy of procedural representation.

We had a very high resolution photo of the aviation pioneer Amelia Earhart, and a short grainy video clip of her getting into a plane and smiling and waving.

My question was: Which one of these two media conveys more information about Amelia?

One gave extraordinary detail of her face, eyes, and seemed to many was a much better "fidelity" document. Others noticed that although you couldn't see her face in the video, you could feel from her gait, waving, body language and the way she shook hands _much more_ about her than from the static photo.

Both files are the same size in bytes.

So which one has more "information"? Which one is more "authentic"?

Not to attempt to answer here with a deep dive into phenomenology, but each carries a different kind of information, which can be static, dynamic, or meta-dynamic in higher orders relative to a matrix of assumptions that must be carried forward in parallel by the culture that wants to decode the message later.

I like that Miris tries to explore this by questioning the richness of text. But maybe the question doesn't hold up well under those conditions of investigation - because one might say that a great poet using only a few words might capture a landscape better than a painting, but if our culture drifts toward a visual one where poetry is no longer understood we cannot say that the medium itself degraded.

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