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Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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Re: Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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That is problematic. True. But I think Google's point is that the invasion of Ukraine is (several) orders of magnitude more problematic and needs to stop. I get that there's a downside to boycotts of all forms. What I don't get is the livid emotionalism in this thread ("absolutely ridiculous and shitty") directed towards the decision to boycott certain companies in response to the current situation -- rather than tow…

> What I don't get is the livid emotionalism in this thread because this in absolutely no way helps to bring out peace and rather stokes animosity. We are seeing more and more divisions in our society with such cringe worthy actions. The US is now arming the right-wing neo-nazi Asov battalion with stinger missiles and arms to fight Russian occupation. Deja Vu?

The US is now arming the Azov battalion with stinger missiless

Source needed, please.

Re: Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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How disappointing that the Twitter crowd is cheering this on. What a sick joke. And what's up with the whole public announcement. To me, it feels like we think that we can stop the war by punishing some a Russian developer team. Oh, the war didn't stop? It's just you didn't bully and fire enough Russian developers. I work in an international team, many of us from countries that were either in war or whose leader made…

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Re: Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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That is problematic. Small, independent, high human-capital companies are best antidote to authoritarian leaders supported by oligarchs and natural resource extraction. If western sanctions selectively restrict the first ones, while keep business for the second ones (because Europe need russian gas), then they are likely worse than no sanctions at all.

That is problematic. True. But I think Google's point is that the invasion of Ukraine is (several) orders of magnitude more problematic and needs to stop. I get that there's a downside to boycotts of all forms. What I don't get is the livid emotionalism in this thread ("absolutely ridiculous and shitty") directed towards the decision to boycott certain companies in response to the current situation -- rather than tow…

Perhaps it is Russian influence on those posting ?

I also don't get it, this is an extraordinary situation that requires extraordinary measures.

Anything Russian will be boycotted and sanctioned until Putin withdraws all troops.

I have zero problems with the Russian people, but Putins actions have consequences.

Re: Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I don't get is the livid emotionalism in this thread because this in absolutely no way helps to bring out peace and rather stokes animosity. We are seeing more and more divisions in our society with such cringe worthy actions. The US is now arming the right-wing neo-nazi Asov battalion with stinger missiles and arms to fight Russian occupation. Deja Vu?

The US is now arming the Azov battalion with stinger missiless Source needed, please.

Javelin anti-tank weapons are on their way, speculation is whether there will also be Stinger anti-aircraft missiles.

There is also talk of sending MIG-29 from the EU to help Ukraine.

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2022/02/26/biden-to-sen...

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498029493033881601?t=HQWjvlz...

Re: Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is now arming the Azov battalion with stinger missiless Source needed, please.

Javelin anti-tank weapons are on their way, speculation is whether there will also be Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. There is also talk of sending MIG-29 from the EU to help Ukraine. https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2022/02/26/biden-to-sen... https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498029493033881601?t=HQWjvlz...

The source is needed for the commenter's claim that these toys are en route to the Azov Battalion specifically, obviously and of course.

Not for the suggestion that they might be headed to the Ukrainian MVD.

Re: Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Javelin anti-tank weapons are on their way, speculation is whether there will also be Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. There is also talk of sending MIG-29 from the EU to help Ukraine. https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2022/02/26/biden-to-sen... https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498029493033881601?t=HQWjvlz...

The source is needed for the commenter's claim that these toys are en route to the Azov Battalion specifically , obviously and of course. Not for the suggestion that they might be headed to the Ukrainian MVD.

I think that the source was not credible.

Re: Google's Dart team terminates contract with Russian vendor over Ukraine invasion

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At no point in history has punishing people for the mistakes of their leader resulted in a better situation and more peaceful world. History is full of huge counterexamples to this claim: the sanctions against South African apartheid. Oh and this whole business of "punishing people in Germany, Italy and Japan for the mistakes of their leaders", known otherwise as WW 2.

> the sanctions against South African apartheid This was done by UN. Not by some random company against some individuals. >Oh and this whole business of "punishing people in Germany, Italy and Japan for the mistakes of their leaders", known otherwise as WW 2 No, that was WW1. And the sanctions led to WW2 after which US recognized the futility of sanctions and provided EU with economic package under Marshal Plan https…

> This was done by UN. Not by some random company against some individuals.

Before there were official sanctions, there were popular boycotts for years. Most countries only imposed sanctions right at the end.

(Of course, in this case, there are already state sanctions, and that may be weighing on various companies' decisions to terminate contracts; if nothing else it will likely become virtually impossible to actually _pay_ Russian vendors within days).

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