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Where in EU would you relocate?

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Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

#11
Depends on how much you make.

UK (London) offers the best quality of life if you have tons of money to spend.

Germany is fine if you don’t have much money to spend. Don’t expect to find any luxury though.

Switzerland is great if you have tons of money to spend and don’t want to live in a big city.

Brexit has been utterly irrelevant to wealthy people, in fact it seems to have made some luxury goods cheaper.

Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

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Of those three? Germany, hands down. I've visited Germany and the UK a dozen or so times each, back in my international traveling consulting days. (Though only three times to Switzerland, for short visits - not enough to say much.) German is not so difficult and many Germans speak English. I've had several English/non-German-speaking friends move there. And if your wife is working with a large company, they'll be abl…

> Germany also has good public services. There's more support for walkable/bikeable living than the UK.

Are you joking? Surely he speaks of London when he speaks of FAANG jobs in the UK. This is a far more walkable/bikeable city than most German cities.

> Friends of mine living in the UK didn't like sending their kids to gender-separated schools

There are a plenty of co-ed schools.

Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

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post #5

Of those three? Germany, hands down. I've visited Germany and the UK a dozen or so times each, back in my international traveling consulting days. (Though only three times to Switzerland, for short visits - not enough to say much.) German is not so difficult and many Germans speak English. I've had several English/non-German-speaking friends move there. And if your wife is working with a large company, they'll be abl…

Gender-separated schools are only a thing for private schools, and some grammar schools (which are selective state schools). The main aspect here is that the best schools tend to be private and many people do send their children to private schools when their income allows it or they invest in private tuition and hope to get into a grammar school. That is indeed something to keep in mind, especially for secondary scho…

> The class system is overblown. Vastly different 'classes' don't mix much in any country.

Also it’s an exclusively British thing. As a foreigner you can safely ignore all that nonsense, especially in the London bubble.

Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

#15

Salaries in Switzerland are significantly higher so you may end up better off, even taking cost of living into account. On the other hand, if you think the German language is on the negative side then you should avoid Swiss German speaking areas (Swiss German is its own thing...) I am not sure Brexit makes much difference unless you are EU citizens. Note that London is its own bubble so it would also depend on where…

> I am not sure Brexit makes much difference unless you are EU citizens.

As an EU citizen living in the UK I haven’t really noticed it making any difference.

Well, stuff on farfetch seems to have gotten cheaper after brexit. Definitely won’t complain about that.

Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

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post #15

Salaries in Switzerland are significantly higher so you may end up better off, even taking cost of living into account. On the other hand, if you think the German language is on the negative side then you should avoid Swiss German speaking areas (Swiss German is its own thing...) I am not sure Brexit makes much difference unless you are EU citizens. Note that London is its own bubble so it would also depend on where…

> I am not sure Brexit makes much difference unless you are EU citizens. As an EU citizen living in the UK I haven’t really noticed it making any difference. Well, stuff on farfetch seems to have gotten cheaper after brexit. Definitely won’t complain about that.

What I mean is the impact of Brexit when deciding to move to the UK vs. EU/EEA/Switzerland. If you are an EU (non-Irish) citizen then now there are hoops to go through and your status in the UK is less secure than before.

But for EU citizens who have been in the UK for years then indeed nothing changed.

Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

#18
I personally would choose somewhere in southern EU like Portugal, Spain, or Italy. Better weather and I think lower cost of living - assuming her salary is same in any EU country and they aren't pro-rating it.

You will most likely have to supplement any education for your child anyhow (to educate them on English and American things), I wouldn't focus too much on that being a deciding factor. As much as there are different areas in the US, the culture is very similar. I imagine being a road trip away from the language and culture of another country will provide more perspective and opportunities for education than you could get here in the US.

Maybe the company can offer up ex-pats in your top 3 countries that she can talk to for an idea on what its like?

Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

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post #13
post #5

Of those three? Germany, hands down. I've visited Germany and the UK a dozen or so times each, back in my international traveling consulting days. (Though only three times to Switzerland, for short visits - not enough to say much.) German is not so difficult and many Germans speak English. I've had several English/non-German-speaking friends move there. And if your wife is working with a large company, they'll be abl…

> Germany also has good public services. There's more support for walkable/bikeable living than the UK. Are you joking? Surely he speaks of London when he speaks of FAANG jobs in the UK. This is a far more walkable/bikeable city than most German cities. > Friends of mine living in the UK didn't like sending their kids to gender-separated schools There are a plenty of co-ed schools.

My experience is over 10 years old, and mostly concerning Cambridge and Oxford, plus visits to London. Things may have changed.

I found Berlin to be an excellent biking city.

At one event I went to in Oxford, one of the locals had recently been killed while biking by a driver.

> There are a plenty of co-ed schools.

I may have misremembered the story. They were Finns, describing unexpected parts of their life in Cambridge. It might have been that they were surprised there were so many gender segregated schools.

Re: Where in EU would you relocate?

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post #5

Of those three? Germany, hands down. I've visited Germany and the UK a dozen or so times each, back in my international traveling consulting days. (Though only three times to Switzerland, for short visits - not enough to say much.) German is not so difficult and many Germans speak English. I've had several English/non-German-speaking friends move there. And if your wife is working with a large company, they'll be abl…

Gender-separated schools are only a thing for private schools, and some grammar schools (which are selective state schools). The main aspect here is that the best schools tend to be private and many people do send their children to private schools when their income allows it or they invest in private tuition and hope to get into a grammar school. That is indeed something to keep in mind, especially for secondary scho…

> The class system is overblown

How do you judge that? Germany doesn't have an official nobility class. The UK ... does.

I don't like that.

Perhaps you're referring to economic classes? I believe Germany has lower economic disparity than the UK (eg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq... says Germany's after taxes Gini coefficient after taxes is 0.295 vs UK's 0.345), so again, I prefer Germany.

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