Will order one the day there is an AMD option.
Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Intel only at the moment is correct but Windows only? TFA says "no OS" as an option, so you're free to install what you like.
It's possible to install Linux, but it requires a bunch of fiddling. And even then power management tends to not work great. I'd love if Linux has as officially supported and just worked.
A pre-install option for linux would increase user trust that it'll "just work"
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a Linux configuration https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop
Sure, but when you look at the ordering page, it doesn't mention linux as an OS option, just Windows or no OS
Do you think a significant amount of people who want to run Linux will want it preinstalled for them?
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#14Will order one the day there is an AMD option.
Everyone says that, but realistically, at the size of their company, I can't imagine they have the resources to design, test and support both Intel and AMD designs in parallel at the present.
HW development is insanely capital intensive and they're far away from the resources of the likes of Asus and MSI, let alone Lenovo or Dell.
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#15Will order one the day there is an AMD option.
Everyone says that, but realistically, at the size of their company, I can't imagine they have the resources to design, test and support both Intel and AMD designs in parallel at the present. HW development is insanely capital intensive and they're far away from the resources of the likes of Asus and MSI, let alone Lenovo or Dell.
They recently recieved a fair chunk of funding so are on the growth path. I hope they do release a 15inch AMD based device.
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#16I would be really tempted, but there are still a couple things putting me off: * Intel only * Windows only ... sorry boy and mum are arguing over homework -- gotta run!
At first this comment made me angry (it's Linux, the whole point is user choice, what would be the benefit in preinstalling!) - but I suppose System76 have really showed how much better things can be with Pop!_OS.
I would expect the vast majority of users will be using Linux though, so calling it Windows only seems a little misleading. There is an option to get no OS and avoid the Windows tax.
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#17Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)
This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
Anecdotal, so obviously YMMV.
On battery - I am using "sleep then hibernate", which typically means 4-6% of battery drain overnight which happens while it is in first ~2hrs of sleep mode. Of course it means you now spend 30sec booting up, but I can live with that.
On touchpad - weird, my experience is opposite. I'd say this is the closest to Macbook experience I had, no issues whatsoever.
Speakers are a bit quiet, agreed, no static or anything, we occasionally use it to watch Netflix with my wife, while away from TV, interchangeably with her Macbook and definitely wouldn't call it garbage.
So, all in all I am in "quite happy" camp. Yes, not Macbook killer, but for me it is close enough and without any major inconveniences, but with all OSS benefits and presumably infinite upgradeability. I use Arch btw :)
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#18Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)
This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
I also do have the battery drain issue running 21.10.
I'm generally otherwise super happy with it though. The speakers don't bother me much, they're good enough for calls, and if I'm actually trying to listen to music I'll just use actual bluetooth speakers or headphones.
I'm most happy about the fact that they put an actually decent screen and key switches. Many other laptops that run Linux have shitty 1080p screens and shitty keyboards.
And the fact that I was able to shove in 2TB of SSD and 64GB of RAM all bought at market pricing, not at Lenovo or Apple pricing.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's possible to install Linux, but it requires a bunch of fiddling. And even then power management tends to not work great. I'd love if Linux has as officially supported and just worked.
A pre-install option for linux would increase user trust that it'll "just work"
As someone with a Dell XPS 9310 for work where Linux is a pre-install option, I can tell you it definitely doesn't mean it "just works".
The Framework I got for personal use, on the other hand, worked OOTB with a Linux USB installer.
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#20Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)
This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…
Had mine for a couple weeks, has some trouble sleeping / waking in Ubuntu 21.10 but aside from that (and the poor speakers) it's basically perfect. Trackpad is good and I don't see any battery drain issues. Definitely easier experience than getting Linux on other modern laptops.