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Great thread on what’s problematic with Canada’s anti-protest actions

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The meat starts at tweet #35!

35/ Canada has asked every single financial system provider from banks to credit card companies to investment firms to crowdfunding platforms to crypto companies to insurance companies to:

- freeze the accounts - of anyone directly or "indirectly" supporting the protests

36/ Given the powers of the Emergency Act, there is no due process on these actions and no civil liability for this freezing.

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The core point made here is wrong. > 6/ Freedom of speech might require such activities like: > A website > A pamphlet > An advertisement > Paying a graphic designer > Travelling to a different location All of those amplify your speech, but they're not prerequisites for speech. You can speak without any of them - I'm doing it right now! Same for all the other various things mentioned in this thread. None of the thing…

Uh, no, your speech would be moot without the people who pay for the website allowing you to use it. You don't contribute financially because you are the product (an audience of engineers for YC companies to influence and recruit). Make no mistake, though, money is a crucial element of your ability to broadcast your thoughts here.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What good is "freedom of speech" if you can only talk to yourself?

You clearly listened to me. I didn't spend any money on that. Case in point.

I'm afraid I don't understand your argument.

Maybe it would be clearer if you told me what "freedom of speech" means to you .

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What good is "freedom of speech" if you can only talk to yourself?

Freedom is speech isn't the freedom to make people listen.

Great. You have the freedom to speak, as long as it’s only in your head or into a corner where no one can ever hear you.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean the freedom to make people listen, but the government can’t make that choice for people.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What good is "freedom of speech" if you can only talk to yourself?

Freedom is speech isn't the freedom to make people listen.

"make people listen"

Like, coercion? As in, physically restrain someone so they must engage with my ideas?

Re: Great thread on what’s problematic with Canada’s anti-protest actions

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anything that takes that long to make an argument seems to not have a specific point other than costing money and some hints at decentrLizied freedoms?

>anything that takes that long to make an argument seems to not have a specific point

Is this what twitter has turned discourse into? If you haven't made your within one or two tweets your whole work is dismissed as "not have a specific point".

Anyways the "point" of this article is that the government is punishing their enemies by locking them out of the financial system. This is bad because of how much we rely on the financial system for every day life, and that the action is being done without the usual due process (ie. right to a trial). You might be in favor of this action because the targets happen to be your enemies, but this could easily be flipped next time around.

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post #17

anything that takes that long to make an argument seems to not have a specific point other than costing money and some hints at decentrLizied freedoms?

>anything that takes that long to make an argument seems to not have a specific point Is this what twitter has turned discourse into? If you haven't made your within one or two tweets your whole work is dismissed as "not have a specific point". Anyways the "point" of this article is that the government is punishing their enemies by locking them out of the financial system. This is bad because of how much we rely on t…

I'm not clear that twitter is the right tool for the job. Perhaps writing a book or essay is proper.

All the same, you should be able to fit your thesis and list your key arguments in a couple of sentences.

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Freedom also means the ability to live without having to suffer overbearing impacts from others. The blockade of Ottawa and the US/Canada border crossings are causing enormous economic impacts on both countries while in the midst of a global pandemic, rising inflation due to supply chain issues. Estimates of the financial impact of this "protest" are not definitive, but are likely in the billions of dollars and are affecting everyone in both countries.

You have the right to protest and make your opinion heard. But at the point that you are actively preventing ~25% of the international trade between two countries while further increasing both inflation and supply chain issues, your "protest" looks more like economic terrorism. Especially when only a small minority of people actually care--let alone support--your position.

To tie this back to the original thread: The author states "There are no other constitutional rights in substance without freedom to transact". But this protest is impacting other people's ability to transact. Therefore, by the same logic the author presents, this "protest" is impacting the freedoms of millions just because a couple of hundred people don't want to get vaccinated or get tested regularly.

The requirement that people crossing the border be vaccinated or have taken quick and painless test to prove that they are not carrying a virus that has claimed more than 5M lives in the past two year is NOT tyranny: it's an minor inconvenience.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're suggesting comes down to rich people having disproportionally more say. Taking money out of the equation democratizes speech and makes sure everyone has a say, not just the Peter Thiels that can buy printing presses.

But taking money out of the equation for only some, and not others, takes us even further from democratization of speech.

Properly, the government needs to fund the publication of speech by every citizen, so anyone can spend as much as Peter Thiel can
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